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Arthur Klisiewicz
Posted: 09/16/2008, 10:17 AM

I'm wondering if anybody had worked with WebDeveloperSuite from WEB ASSIST
(www.webassist.com) and can compare those tools to CCS. ???

Arthur

Trigger
Posted: 09/16/2008, 6:53 PM

I have Web Assist Super Suite, it's really an extension to Dreamweaver
8/CS3. I'm not sure
I can do the Web Assist extensions justice. There's a lot of stuff but I
really only use a couple of the
extensions regularly. I use SiteAssist, DataAssist, the validation
components and lately the CCS
tools from Eric Meyer.

I find CCS4 and the CodeChargeTools to be far less complicated to learn, and
generally pretty stable.
I've used CCS since the begining and I've been generally happy with the
product. It aint perfect but
if does work.

If you decide to buy the Web Assist Developer Suite be prepared to spend a
lot of time learning the tools.
They have some pretty good documentation, some reasonably good tutorials and
the tools work pretty well.
Not perfect, not always seamlessly integrated but they do regular updates
and they do answer questions.

Before you decide to buy the Web Assist Suite, make sure you understand what
is included and what
you can expect from the included tools. I was more than a little suprised by
the latest repackaging of the
products. I ended up buying the Supersuite because none of the regular
packages had everything I was
used to using and buying everything ended up being hundreds of dollars less
than buying just what I
needed. Some of the extensions are really of limited use and I've never done
much with them other
than playing with the tutorials.

Tim


"Arthur Klisiewicz" <optron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:gaopni$l0o$1@news.codecharge.com...
> I'm wondering if anybody had worked with WebDeveloperSuite from WEB ASSIST
> (www.webassist.com) and can compare those tools to CCS. ???
>
> Arthur
>

Arthur Klisiewicz
Posted: 09/17/2008, 9:07 AM

Thanks for your time Tim.
Can you tell me which of the extensions you are not using so much ?
I know they have Designer Suite and Developer Suite. I was thinking ob
buying both (as one package) abd use it exchangably with CCS
Can you share waht was that you didn't like in WA tools ?
I worked with DMV extensions several times so I have general idea what it
is, however I would like to know what was that you didn't like about WA tool
more in details ?

I'm not quite sure what you referring to in sense not buying the whole WA
Suite (I was planning to do that) ?

One thing that seems to be apealing to me is that WA tools integrate with
DMV and that makes design work so much easier. I used CCS3 in the past a
little but it was a pain to implement ready CCS app into ready DMV site, and
I don't know if this has been improved in any way (its being more than a
year when I used CSS last time) ???

My number one concern is how WA tolls will help me to build custom Apps ?
It looks like for building eComerce it might be far more efficient and
convenient than CCS, but for other not eCommerce Apps probably CCS would fit
better - am I right ?

For the lst few years I was dealing more with desktop type Enterprise Apps,
so I'm not so experienced with web dev., but...

How would you rate WA tech support (say on a scale 1-10) ?
How would you rate YesSoftware tech support (say on a scale 1-10) ?


Arthur



"Trigger" <tguimond@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:gapnvl$83t$1@news.codecharge.com...
>I have Web Assist Super Suite, it's really an extension to Dreamweaver
>8/CS3. I'm not sure
> I can do the Web Assist extensions justice. There's a lot of stuff but I
> really only use a couple of the
> extensions regularly. I use SiteAssist, DataAssist, the validation
> components and lately the CCS
> tools from Eric Meyer.
>
> I find CCS4 and the CodeChargeTools to be far less complicated to learn,
> and generally pretty stable.
> I've used CCS since the begining and I've been generally happy with the
> product. It aint perfect but
> if does work.
>
> If you decide to buy the Web Assist Developer Suite be prepared to spend a
> lot of time learning the tools.
> They have some pretty good documentation, some reasonably good tutorials
> and the tools work pretty well.
> Not perfect, not always seamlessly integrated but they do regular updates
> and they do answer questions.
>
> Before you decide to buy the Web Assist Suite, make sure you understand
> what is included and what
> you can expect from the included tools. I was more than a little suprised
> by the latest repackaging of the
> products. I ended up buying the Supersuite because none of the regular
> packages had everything I was
> used to using and buying everything ended up being hundreds of dollars
> less than buying just what I
> needed. Some of the extensions are really of limited use and I've never
> done much with them other
> than playing with the tutorials.
>
> Tim
>
>
> "Arthur Klisiewicz" <optron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:gaopni$l0o$1@news.codecharge.com...
>> I'm wondering if anybody had worked with WebDeveloperSuite from WEB
>> ASSIST (www.webassist.com) and can compare those tools to CCS. ???
>>
>> Arthur
>>
>
>
>

Arthur Klisiewicz
Posted: 09/17/2008, 9:11 AM

> products. I ended up buying the Supersuite because none of the regular
> packages had everything I was
> used to using and buying everything ended up being hundreds of dollars
> less than buying just what I
> needed.

are you saying it is better to get SuperSuite ?





>Some of the extensions are really of limited use and I've never done much
>with them other
> than playing with the tutorials.

can you elaborate a little more on that, pls ?



Art

Trigger
Posted: 09/17/2008, 7:52 PM

I use Database Assist, Site Assist Pro, Security Assist, eCart, CSS
Sculptorand Menu, Validation and
on occasion Flash Charts. I don't really see the value of iRite, Site
Import, and Google Maps. They
were in the package so I have them but I don't use them. I've never been
asked to include Maps,
word processing and I think that Site Import to "learn" how something is
done is a little on the
edge of illegal.(just my opinion)

The extensions are of no use without Dreamweaver. They take a good amount of
time to learn to use
and you will most certainly spend a lot of time in the forums researching
problems and trying to learn.

The tools are large and complex and for the most part, they are not "press
a button/make it so".

The documentation is good, expect to do the tutorials several times and
additional reading
of the documentation to get the most from the extensions. Please read this
as "expect to
spend a lot of time getting up to speed".

Tech support is generally good but get use to the forums and don't be afraid
to ask questions
several times if you don't get the answer you need. WebAssist tech support
is maybe 7 out of 10
I've actually never dealt with CCS tech support. I've always seemed to find
what I've needed
by checking the forums, so I go straight to the forums first. I would have
to say, in general,
I look at the forums first before I even consider buying a product. Users
are the most
reliable guage of a product. Healthy forums can be more valuable than fair
tech support and
most companies don't do a good job on tech support no matter how big they
are.

I have mostly used the design side of Dreamweaver to polish up my CCS stuff,
but to move from
one tool to another and expect them to work seamlessly, well I haven't found
that to be the case
for any of the tools I use, and I use a bunch.

You can build any type of site you want with Dreamweaver without any
extensions but the Web Assist
tools will help but they are not perfect, integration between individual
tools is ok and expect to learn
the peculiarities of each one. Updates/Bug fixes are regular.

I purchased Super Suite because to update several of the individual products
that I had was going to
cost me $200 more than upgrading to Super Suite. I had many of the previous
generation of their tools
and I needed to upgrade because the company I contract for used Dreamweaver
and Web Assist.

One final note: I have owned CodeCharge since the begining. I purchase Code
Charge, upgrade
to Code Charge professional and then Code Charge Studio. I have owned every
version, keep it
current, play with new features, study the code and I have been quite happy
with the product. I
purchased Code Charge Tools Ultimate Bundle recently and I'm still getting
up to speed with it.

I also own a number of the tools, Webpros Fusion and e.world ASP
and ASP.NET
tools. I believe that each fills a niche. I wouldn't own them if I didn't
use them and I wouldn't
use them if they didn't work.

Good luck with which ever product route you chose.

Tim

"Arthur Klisiewicz" <optron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:gara01$6k5$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Thanks for your time Tim.
> Can you tell me which of the extensions you are not using so much ?
> I know they have Designer Suite and Developer Suite. I was thinking ob
> buying both (as one package) abd use it exchangably with CCS
> Can you share waht was that you didn't like in WA tools ?
> I worked with DMV extensions several times so I have general idea what it
> is, however I would like to know what was that you didn't like about WA
> tool more in details ?
>
> I'm not quite sure what you referring to in sense not buying the whole WA
> Suite (I was planning to do that) ?
>
> One thing that seems to be apealing to me is that WA tools integrate with
> DMV and that makes design work so much easier. I used CCS3 in the past a
> little but it was a pain to implement ready CCS app into ready DMV site,
> and I don't know if this has been improved in any way (its being more than
> a year when I used CSS last time) ???
>
> My number one concern is how WA tolls will help me to build custom Apps ?
> It looks like for building eComerce it might be far more efficient and
> convenient than CCS, but for other not eCommerce Apps probably CCS would
> fit better - am I right ?
>
> For the lst few years I was dealing more with desktop type Enterprise
> Apps, so I'm not so experienced with web dev., but...
>
> How would you rate WA tech support (say on a scale 1-10) ?
> How would you rate YesSoftware tech support (say on a scale 1-10) ?
>
>
> Arthur
>
>
>
> "Trigger" <tguimond@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
>news:gapnvl$83t$1@news.codecharge.com...
>>I have Web Assist Super Suite, it's really an extension to Dreamweaver
>>8/CS3. I'm not sure
>> I can do the Web Assist extensions justice. There's a lot of stuff but I
>> really only use a couple of the
>> extensions regularly. I use SiteAssist, DataAssist, the validation
>> components and lately the CCS
>> tools from Eric Meyer.
>>
>> I find CCS4 and the CodeChargeTools to be far less complicated to learn,
>> and generally pretty stable.
>> I've used CCS since the begining and I've been generally happy with the
>> product. It aint perfect but
>> if does work.
>>
>> If you decide to buy the Web Assist Developer Suite be prepared to spend
>> a lot of time learning the tools.
>> They have some pretty good documentation, some reasonably good tutorials
>> and the tools work pretty well.
>> Not perfect, not always seamlessly integrated but they do regular updates
>> and they do answer questions.
>>
>> Before you decide to buy the Web Assist Suite, make sure you understand
>> what is included and what
>> you can expect from the included tools. I was more than a little suprised
>> by the latest repackaging of the
>> products. I ended up buying the Supersuite because none of the regular
>> packages had everything I was
>> used to using and buying everything ended up being hundreds of dollars
>> less than buying just what I
>> needed. Some of the extensions are really of limited use and I've never
>> done much with them other
>> than playing with the tutorials.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> "Arthur Klisiewicz" <optron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:gaopni$l0o$1@news.codecharge.com...
>>> I'm wondering if anybody had worked with WebDeveloperSuite from WEB
>>> ASSIST (www.webassist.com) and can compare those tools to CCS. ???
>>>
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Arthur Klisiewicz
Posted: 09/17/2008, 8:43 PM

Thank you Tim for your answer. It explains a lot. I already bought CCS4 but
I'm still considering adding up more tools (like WA)
I program a lot in Clarion, so if you would need any information on that I
can give you pretty good expertise. I know Clarion since its first DOS
version. The tool is excelent for desktop type Apps and I use it quite a
lot. I even program enterprise appications that run over internet and use
SQL type dBs. Clarion isn't unfortunately the best for web despite it can
build Web apps in its cutrent state. They coming up with .NET version soon
and this is going to be a big git, but it will take probably few more months
until its ready for real production. But watcxh for this product because it
philosophy is very similar to CCS, and it can do so much more than most
people think. www.softvelocity.com

I looked also at IronSpeed Designer, and it seems to be decent vut tyhe
price is way to high for what it can do (and it is only ASP/.NET) so that's
a pitta!
Of course I have DMV and I know how extensions work. I really like the way
WA site is developed and that also tells a little about the product behind,
but like you saif users are the best resource.

I used a CCS3 a little in the past but I was a little discouraged by some
YES policy and practices (i.e they delete messages from the forums if they
don't like them, their tech support wasn't really very friendly if (like you
said) I have asked the same question on the forum more than once. They were
kind of saying '...you should know preogramin and if you don't you shouldn't
use CCS). I hope this is not gonna happen again and I get enough help from
users if I need, and I admit perhaps I need a little more patience.

I think its not olny technical paradigm but philosopical and how one percets
life. Most people on this planet have only perception for receiving (not for
giving) and they do not understand the simple law which says: the more you
give, the more you will receive! I'm really glad you don't hesitate to share
abd I appreciate your time (kindnes becomes a reare those days).

Since you seem to be very experienced with CCS, I would like to ask one more
question: what is your path of implementation in sense moving CCS app into
predesigned DMV site ? I heared there were some issues with HTML/ASP/ASPX
code when CCS generated code was moved into DMV site and slightly
modified.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the path I would think I
need to take:
1- build CCS app
2- pre design DMV site
3- insert CCS app (or parts) into the pages
4- do some CSS adjustments, cleanup etc.
5-publish

I'm wondering how smooth would be for instance implementing single record
edit form into DMV generated page which uses templates and CSS ? Are there
any pitfals in doing so ?



Reagrds - Arthur


"Trigger" <tguimond@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:gasfpq$rbk$1@news.codecharge.com...
>I use Database Assist, Site Assist Pro, Security Assist, eCart, CSS
>Sculptorand Menu, Validation and
> on occasion Flash Charts. I don't really see the value of iRite, Site
> Import, and Google Maps. They
> were in the package so I have them but I don't use them. I've never been
> asked to include Maps,
> word processing and I think that Site Import to "learn" how something is
> done is a little on the
> edge of illegal.(just my opinion)
>
> The extensions are of no use without Dreamweaver. They take a good amount
> of time to learn to use
> and you will most certainly spend a lot of time in the forums researching
> problems and trying to learn.
>
> The tools are large and complex and for the most part, they are not
> "press a button/make it so".
>
> The documentation is good, expect to do the tutorials several times and
> additional reading
> of the documentation to get the most from the extensions. Please read this
> as "expect to
> spend a lot of time getting up to speed".
>
> Tech support is generally good but get use to the forums and don't be
> afraid to ask questions
> several times if you don't get the answer you need. WebAssist tech support
> is maybe 7 out of 10
> I've actually never dealt with CCS tech support. I've always seemed to
> find what I've needed
> by checking the forums, so I go straight to the forums first. I would have
> to say, in general,
> I look at the forums first before I even consider buying a product. Users
> are the most
> reliable guage of a product. Healthy forums can be more valuable than fair
> tech support and
> most companies don't do a good job on tech support no matter how big they
> are.
>
> I have mostly used the design side of Dreamweaver to polish up my CCS
> stuff, but to move from
> one tool to another and expect them to work seamlessly, well I haven't
> found that to be the case
> for any of the tools I use, and I use a bunch.
>
> You can build any type of site you want with Dreamweaver without any
> extensions but the Web Assist
> tools will help but they are not perfect, integration between individual
> tools is ok and expect to learn
> the peculiarities of each one. Updates/Bug fixes are regular.
>
> I purchased Super Suite because to update several of the individual
> products that I had was going to
> cost me $200 more than upgrading to Super Suite. I had many of the
> previous generation of their tools
> and I needed to upgrade because the company I contract for used
> Dreamweaver and Web Assist.
>
> One final note: I have owned CodeCharge since the begining. I purchase
> Code Charge, upgrade
> to Code Charge professional and then Code Charge Studio. I have owned
> every version, keep it
> current, play with new features, study the code and I have been quite
> happy with the product. I
> purchased Code Charge Tools Ultimate Bundle recently and I'm still getting
> up to speed with it.
>
> I also own a number of the tools, Webpros Fusion and e.world
> ASP and ASP.NET
> tools. I believe that each fills a niche. I wouldn't own them if I didn't
> use them and I wouldn't
> use them if they didn't work.
>
> Good luck with which ever product route you chose.
>
> Tim
>
> "Arthur Klisiewicz" <optron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:gara01$6k5$1@news.codecharge.com...
>> Thanks for your time Tim.
>> Can you tell me which of the extensions you are not using so much ?
>> I know they have Designer Suite and Developer Suite. I was thinking ob
>> buying both (as one package) abd use it exchangably with CCS
>> Can you share waht was that you didn't like in WA tools ?
>> I worked with DMV extensions several times so I have general idea what it
>> is, however I would like to know what was that you didn't like about WA
>> tool more in details ?
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what you referring to in sense not buying the whole WA
>> Suite (I was planning to do that) ?
>>
>> One thing that seems to be apealing to me is that WA tools integrate with
>> DMV and that makes design work so much easier. I used CCS3 in the past a
>> little but it was a pain to implement ready CCS app into ready DMV site,
>> and I don't know if this has been improved in any way (its being more
>> than a year when I used CSS last time) ???
>>
>> My number one concern is how WA tolls will help me to build custom Apps ?
>> It looks like for building eComerce it might be far more efficient and
>> convenient than CCS, but for other not eCommerce Apps probably CCS would
>> fit better - am I right ?
>>
>> For the lst few years I was dealing more with desktop type Enterprise
>> Apps, so I'm not so experienced with web dev., but...
>>
>> How would you rate WA tech support (say on a scale 1-10) ?
>> How would you rate YesSoftware tech support (say on a scale 1-10) ?
>>
>>
>> Arthur
>>
>>
>>
>> "Trigger" <tguimond@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
>>news:gapnvl$83t$1@news.codecharge.com...
>>>I have Web Assist Super Suite, it's really an extension to Dreamweaver
>>>8/CS3. I'm not sure
>>> I can do the Web Assist extensions justice. There's a lot of stuff but I
>>> really only use a couple of the
>>> extensions regularly. I use SiteAssist, DataAssist, the validation
>>> components and lately the CCS
>>> tools from Eric Meyer.
>>>
>>> I find CCS4 and the CodeChargeTools to be far less complicated to learn,
>>> and generally pretty stable.
>>> I've used CCS since the begining and I've been generally happy with the
>>> product. It aint perfect but
>>> if does work.
>>>
>>> If you decide to buy the Web Assist Developer Suite be prepared to spend
>>> a lot of time learning the tools.
>>> They have some pretty good documentation, some reasonably good tutorials
>>> and the tools work pretty well.
>>> Not perfect, not always seamlessly integrated but they do regular
>>> updates and they do answer questions.
>>>
>>> Before you decide to buy the Web Assist Suite, make sure you understand
>>> what is included and what
>>> you can expect from the included tools. I was more than a little
>>> suprised by the latest repackaging of the
>>> products. I ended up buying the Supersuite because none of the regular
>>> packages had everything I was
>>> used to using and buying everything ended up being hundreds of dollars
>>> less than buying just what I
>>> needed. Some of the extensions are really of limited use and I've never
>>> done much with them other
>>> than playing with the tutorials.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> "Arthur Klisiewicz" <optron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>news:gaopni$l0o$1@news.codecharge.com...
>>>> I'm wondering if anybody had worked with WebDeveloperSuite from WEB
>>>> ASSIST (www.webassist.com) and can compare those tools to CCS. ???
>>>>
>>>> Arthur
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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