laneoc
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| Posted: 11/14/2008, 10:57 AM |
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I plan to get a new PC for development work.
Has anyone any experience to pass along regarding best performance for development - especially CCS?
Example: would a quad-core machine make a difference? Does CPU speed make a bigger difference? Is 64 operating system helpful?
Thanks for any experiences shared.
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GaryDN
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| Posted: 11/14/2008, 11:41 AM |
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I have my desktop: dual core 2.4 with 4 gig ram vista 64 os and it runs just fine.
laptop dual core 2.5 with 3 gig of ram xp 32 os and it also runs fine.
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| Posted: 11/15/2008, 9:14 AM |
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Just try to get
High Ram if posible 4gb
and Disk with good Speed 7200rpm + (commons laptop come with 5400rpm)
NET compilation take time
Also readyboost improve like 10% of disk process
of course for CCS
Local Database connection for Develop is a plus
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headhunter
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| Posted: 11/15/2008, 9:29 AM |
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Note that for more than 3gb of ram you must use a 64-bit OS because a 32-bit OS can't address more than 3gb of memory.
Your applications also have to be 64-bit, otherwise they cannot take advantage of a 64-bit OS higher memory possibilities.
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| Posted: 11/16/2008, 6:11 AM |
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Quote headhunter:
Note that for more than 3gb of ram you must use a 64-bit OS because a 32-bit OS can't address more than 3gb of memory.
Your applications also have to be 64-bit, otherwise they cannot take advantage of a 64-bit OS higher memory possibilities.
That's not true at all,
32 bit up to 4gb
64 bit up 128gb
(also i bet this will change soon with memory remmaping chipset
but for now 4gb in 32bit is possible need SP1 so)
Depending on your motherboard's chipset, your system may support memory remapping. If so, you will be able to use all 4GB of RAM or
all 128GB in both case.
not having a 64bit OS is a past DEJAvu where you can't find the Driver, at this moment maybe like 90% of Hardware have 64bit Driver (Note: not all)
we use some USB Electronic Relay to Control Stuff and not 64bit yet.
Intel Voice/VOIP Hardware dont support 64bit also
and some more still arround.
Unless you need some odd Hardware go with 64bit.
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Oper
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| Posted: 11/16/2008, 6:34 AM |
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Also 64bit is not faster than 32bit.
I installed like 4 times 32/64 os in a new laptop with 4gb to do all test by my own
and there was nothing runing faster than other.
but for now i will stay with 32bit for my main.
check this:
http://www.flexbeta.net/main/printarticle.php?id=122
and this:
http://64-bit-computers.com/windows-vista-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmark.html
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melvyn
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| Posted: 11/16/2008, 7:49 AM |
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Hi,
I don't have too much to say here more than I've very experienced on this and there's some wrong data. I'm on Vista ultimate x64.
Quote Oper:32 bit up to 4gb
64 bit up 128gb
32 bits OS will "see" at most 3.5GB is some motherboards, other will "see" 3.2 and most of them 3GB. That's the truth. Neither XP 32 bits or vista 32 bits will see 4GB of Ram. Memory new technology can't help here because this is a limit in the floating point numbers capacity of 32 bits. forget the possibility with new memory.
Quote Oper:
Those links reffers to Vista RC1 (BETA) 2 years ago.
By the way, some test don't say you the real performance, only component performance.
64 bits perform better in memory intensive applications, when you're using over 3 or 4gb or ram (do you?). It's almost impossible to reach 3GB of usage if you aren't editing video or photoshopping with large raw images. CodeChargeStudio with 147 page project don't use 1gb of ram.
64bits with data execution prevention hardware can give more stability than 32bits. There are some security advantages in x64 over x32, search internet for updated comparisions (no more than 6 months old).
Regarding drivers and applications compatibility:
x64 don't allow unsigned drivers, anyways you can find vista x64 drivers for almost all recent hardware. XP 64 is another thing: almost no drivers and no compatibility. Vista executes 32 bits apps in compatibility with no issues.
The last line: for web development, programming and more, you don't need more than 2gb and decent processor.
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| Posted: 11/16/2008, 8:02 AM |
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All I've got is a Celeron 2.4gb and 2gb of ram Win XP Pro and my latest project is approaching 150 pages and no problems here.
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headhunter
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| Posted: 11/16/2008, 8:12 AM |
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Quote :32 bit up to 4gb 64 bit up 128gb (also i bet this will change soon with memory remmaping chipset but for now 4gb in 32bit is possible need SP1 so)
Vista SP1 shows 4gb when there is 4gb installed, but will never use more than 3,5gb!
I have 4gb in Vista 32bit SP1 and can only use 3,3gb of it. And I have recent hardware.
Intel Quad Core on a Asus MB.
Anyway, for CCS you don't need a killer system 
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| Posted: 11/16/2008, 10:46 AM |
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i use 32bit in my laptop and have 4gb
but other person on my company use 64bit in all teh laptop and desktop
but server 2003 all of them still on 32bit
and one 2008 64bit 32gb memory for testing purpose only
but like i said it depend on ChipSet
Vista 32bit handle 4gb perfect
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx
just do your math 32bit
2^32 = 2^2 * 2^30 = 4 * (2^10*2^10*2^10) = 4GB.
yes melvin like i said before i did installed few time and ran several bentchmark
there is no advantage (at least not yet) we test Autocad 64bit software, we tested Photoshop CS4
64bit, IIS 7 64bit, etc
Nothing at all were different we did few restart/reboot and format nothing
we have several laptop (6 Total at office) i stayed on 32buit cause some USB hardware
and as a test no different
Windows 32bit don't have limitation on 4gb, CHIPSET does
also sometime show under 4gb cause
PAE and DEP
UEI,etc
Vista OS new Design hardware control take control of the memory during load and when specific
hardware reclaim memory to work it will not be visible on the OS, but still is been used.
There are few command to force the use of 4gb on some motherboard CHIPSET that don't show.
one of the MSN conference early we spoke a lot about the issue and the Microsoft Guy said
"Limitation of 32bit till 3gb approx is not OS problem is a Hardware ISSUE"
and read This to
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946003/
when you see a Different on a Application? when you have a Huge Machine no OS Different
we tested on my Game Computer at Home one time but witn CCS3.2
and belive teh diffrent where HUGE maybe 2 time faster during compliation and Project generation
why? SCII 10kRPM 4GB ram(faster ram on the market 1GB memory Video Hardware
its actualy a AlienWare Computer (I'm Everquest Fanatic/Addict)
and of course have to be fast (but a XP with 32bit)
If i get a chance i will test on an Alienware Area-51 ALX on but this time 64bit.
but no way in hell 32bit 4gb are faster than 64bit 4gb same machine.
Again Windows Vista even Home Premium Support 4gb
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laneoc
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| Posted: 11/16/2008, 11:37 AM |
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How about Dual-core vs Quad-core? I've heard that CPU speed is more important than Dual/Quad for application development.
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headhunter
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| Posted: 11/16/2008, 12:29 PM |
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Oper,
I agree with your maths, and maybe it is hardware dependent, but why do I have these results on a chipset that supports 8gb of memory (intel P35) on a ASUS p5k Premium mobo with latest bios (since 10 minutes ago  )?
PAE and DEP are enabled
I got the following output from msinfo32.exe:
OS Name Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Business
Version 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 Build 6001
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name VOODOO-VISTA
System Manufacturer System manufacturer
System Model P5K Premium
System Type X86-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6700 @ 2.66GHz, 2672 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 0802, 16/09/2008
SMBIOS Version 2.4
Windows Directory C:\Windows
System Directory C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale België
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.0.6001.18000"
User Name UNREAL\headhunter
Time Zone Romance Standard Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 4,00 GB
Total Physical Memory 3,25 GB
Available Physical Memory 2,23 GB
Total Virtual Memory 6,68 GB
Available Virtual Memory 5,62 GB
Page File Space 3,54 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys
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melvyn
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| Posted: 11/16/2008, 9:14 PM |
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Somebody can read this http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605 ?????
Quote :However, to avoid potential driver compatibility issues, the 32-bit versions of Windows Vista limit the total available memory to 3.12 GB.
And this: http://blogs.msdn.com/hiltonl/archive/2007/04/13/the-3g...am-problem.aspx ??
And this (for fun):
http://www.ocmodshop.com/ocmodshop.aspx?a=989
Quote :Even though the math works out to address way more than 4GB (236 = 68,719,476,736), the operating system still has a cap...
I guess this answer the question in discussion....
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| Posted: 11/16/2008, 9:23 PM |
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headhunter:
This is not a hardware forum. Anyways, I got google and search for: ASUS p5k Premium, clicked the first link: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=174...=11&l3=534&l4=0
That's your motherboard. Go ahead and read specifications, under memory it says:
Quote :
4 x DIMM, Max. 8 GB, DDR 1066*/800/667 Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel memory architecture
*The chipset officially supports the memory frequency up to DDR2 800MHz. Tuned by ASUS Super Memspeed Technology, this motherboard natively supports up to DDR2 1066MHz
Please refer to www.asus.com or user manual for Memory QVL.
**When installing total memory of 4GB capacity or more, Windows® 32-bit operation system may only recognize less than 3GB. Hence, a total installed memory of less than 3GB is recommended.
The bold is mine.
Do you need more than that? Asus says "Windows® 32-bit operation system may only recognize less than 3GB." And also says if you're going to use 32bit "a total installed memory of less than 3GB is recommended."
Do you read it?
Now, end of my opinions. Sorry.
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headhunter
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| Posted: 11/17/2008, 2:38 AM |
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Howhowhow Melvyn, I'm sorry if I upset you...
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melvyn
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| Posted: 11/17/2008, 6:17 AM |
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Quote headhunter:
Howhowhow Melvyn, I'm sorry if I upset you...
Sorry, I'm not english speaker, sometimes I speak and don't see how can sound....
Well, forums are for ask and answer. My last post illustrates a lot. Links that can help you.
Regarding to your original post, is like asking? how can I reach my job faster (from New Jersey to Lower Manhattan) in BMW or Ferrari? The answer is: when you reach downtown you're limited to 40mph, the bottleneck isn't the machine.
Some answers are best given by the manufacturer as microsoft and asus (in my previous post) instead of forum people saying whatever (like me).
You have 2 wonderful machines, enjoy them, both are excellent for any purpose.
Sorry my pretentious last post...
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| Posted: 11/17/2008, 8:46 AM |
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dont get me worng if you getthe change to go with 64bit go ahead
i andother case if you have a 32bit and are lazzy like me keep the 32bit
mevlin yes sometime you sound with too much ego. (but i undertand sometime the none native language sound like that) personal expirience
also headhunter in other terms
how is the Q6700 @ 2.66GHz, working?
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| Posted: 11/17/2008, 9:58 AM |
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Melvin,
I forgive you 
I'm also not an english speaker but Dutch (flemish).
Oper,
Quote :how is the Q6700 @ 2.66GHz, working?
I use it both as my development machine and as a gaming machine.
I have a Nvidia 8800 Ultra with 768mb memory (in those days this was the fastest machine:))
I have also 6 disks in it, all are mirrored and the system disks are 10.000rpm disks (wd raptor)
And of course a 1kw power supply unit.
Normally I change PC every once a year, I don't like waiting
To answer your question: It's a great machine!
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| Posted: 11/17/2008, 10:28 AM |
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Sorry Headhunter but just to give this an airy tone (luchtige toon): flemish is not a language 
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| Posted: 11/17/2008, 12:28 PM |
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we are plaing to get a small Server with Q6600 @ 2.4hz
but only Raid 1 , its a little specification than yours but is just for small customer.
No Fancy Video since i dont thin we will put a Monitor thre ever :)
Did you Tested IIS there? Temperature ok? 24x365?
also how long have you been wis teh WD raport 10k rpm? are thre really good(price /speed)?
Thank for your reply.
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| Posted: 11/17/2008, 1:46 PM |
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Oper,
I did not test IIS, I have a separate machine as a web and db server for testing (apache and mysql on a gentoo linux under vmware), but I think a Q6600 will do the trick.
I think I have those raptors now for about 3 years now and they are still working fine.
For me they are the best price/speed disks that are available. They are not cheap but they are the fastest sata drives you can find (I don't now if they are still available).
There is a newer model currently on the market called the WD Velociraptor which comes in 150gb and 300gb flavors, 10k rpm and 2ms access time!
I didn't test these yet but they will be my next system disks.
If you want faster disks you have to invest in your system and go for SCSI.
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| Posted: 11/17/2008, 3:03 PM |
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avoiding SCSI for this setup.
founded the velociraptor 74gb 150 and 300 in amazon price are high as you said but look
like comment are good.
i may give a try.
Thank.
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