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Posts: 37
Posted: 11/20/2008, 2:58 PM


last 5 years i have use CCS to generate applications for Classic ASP.
For our current project we have the request to create the application with ASP.Net.
What should i say: i am disappointed from the code generation.
The generated code is not really .Net (yes - it is, but a machine generated work around - very much better than IronSpeed but still disappointing), control properties disappears or are translated wrong or half. Is this my personal experiance? All in all - my personal feeling - too much code; hard to understand. I consider carefully to switch to VS for .Net development.
Are my impressions wrong? What the hell i do wrong?

Hope to hear from your experiances.


Peter Haider
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Posted: 11/21/2008, 10:23 AM

If you generate commercial web-applications (basic UI within provided CCS controls but fast and stable development), I'd still go with CCS.

If you have requirements for specific UI, lot's of manual coding - use VS.

In my case I combine CCS and VS:
- VS for all heavy coding, web-services, CLRs
- CCS for all generic search+grid+form pages
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Posted: 11/26/2008, 5:42 AM

This is a relevant topic for me as I have used CCS for ASP since the original Codecharge. But I don't like the .net implementation - it has an awkward class structure, is buggy- and it seems to be a little bit of a stepchild in the CCS product line. I've gone with straight VS in my last 2 larger projects. When you say you use a combination of VS and CCS, what do you mean exactly? Do you start with CCS, then add specific pages that require a lot of custom code directly in VS? Is it a lot of work to apply style sheets between one environment and the other?
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Posted: 11/26/2008, 1:24 PM

Entire project is build in CCS.
Some pages use controls built either in VS or by 3rd party vendors.

This approach makes ASP.Net application manageable even in big projects.

In reality we built in CCS an ASP.Net based framework with all necessary components:
- customizable DB connection string;
- common header/footer for all pages
- customizable by user, DB driven header/footer design
- customizable by developer, DB driven menu tree
- role-based access control on pages or controls
- customizable by developer, DB driven list of access rights
- customizable by developer, DB driven mapping of access rights on CCS pages
- customizable by developer, DB driven parameters validation for GET/POST request parameters
- SSO support from various vendors
- customizable by developer, DB driven help-system for each CCS page with integrated help-editor (Tech-writer has permissions to maintain help-text).
- customizable by developer, DB driven system messages
- custom SQL errors translation (so that user does not fall from chair every time he sees MS errors)
- user activity logging for entire application
- user-definable ranges of allowed/prohibited IPs

... complete list is not the point of this post.
The point is: as a result we have got a pretty reliable and self-sufficient framework that we apply on different web-applications.

For every new application we just have to create functionality pages and customize framework w/o extra coding.

And again, this framework is built in CCS with VS usage in heavy codings.
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Posted: 11/28/2008, 11:09 AM

Thanks for the information!
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