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This Post shoudl be closed! its going too far.
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| Posted: 01/16/2009, 1:16 PM |
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YIKES.
This talk of killing others, fighting with others, denying others basic human
rights is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard in any venue.
This guy has his problems and the rhetoric is purely terrorism.
Mohamed, Buda, nor Christ ever advocated violence as a solution to any problem.
In fact I think a common thread for all spiritual humab beings is forgiveness,
tolerance, and respect for others.
Correct me if I am wrong, but maybe point out any spititual belief system that
advocates killing.
Anyway, I have had enough of this guys hate filled ranting. Could someone get
this post off our board????
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tsgroman
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| Posted: 01/18/2009, 12:59 AM |
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Quote jjrjr1:
Mohamed, Buda, nor Christ ever advocated violence as a solution to any problem.
In fact I think a common thread for all spiritual humab beings is forgiveness,
tolerance, and respect for others.
Huh? When did the Budists or the Christians get involved in this conflict? And why did you leave out followers of Judaism in your anti-violence belief statement? If the reason is anything other than the fact that you HAVE read the Old Testament, please read it. FYI... you might also take a look at the New Testament. Who killed Christ?
Quote jjrjr1:
Correct me if I am wrong, but maybe point out any spititual belief system that
advocates killing.
lol... you really haven't read the Old/New Testament, have you.
Just so there is no question about where I stand, personally. I don't give a flying flip what happens to the middle east or any particular religion, peaceful or not. As far as I'm concerned, box up the middle east, all religous wackos, and people that give opinions that haven't taken the time to understand the subject for which their opining, excluding those with free CCS advice, and jettison the box into the Sun.
From a non-personal, or technical standpoint, yes, I can see where taking someone's property and livelihood away from them could result in violence, or at least some long lasting hard feelings.
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| Posted: 01/18/2009, 4:42 AM |
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Hello
I have, in fact, read the Old/New Testaments from cover to cover...
The Old Testament "Eye for an Eye" Was most definitely replaced with "Turn The Other Cheek" in the new. The original 10 commandments were changed to only 2. I suggest you read it and realize the book reports much violence and represents the best attempts of a very primitive culture to record history and provide a basic philosphy for civilized society. And ,like all the other great works of the same genre, was developed over centuries of social evolution. Most of these basic "religious" works report but do not promote killing or violence.
I did not intentionally leave out Judaism. I though my point that advocating killing is no answer to the problems happening anywhere in the world did not need me to mention every religion I could think of. I, of course, should not snub the Hindu, Mormons, or The Church of Elvis. I do hope no one else feels left out.
Do you blame the Jewish Community for "Killing Christ."? A little anti-semeitic don't you think? What race do you blame for killing Martin Luther King or JFK. or Abraham Lincoln or, more recently, thousands at the World Trade Center? Should we all now be blamed for the sins of our fathers? If so, we are all guilty of something from the past somehow.
Incidentally, even Christ did not blame the Jews. What did he say? Something like... "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." Just take a read of the book again. You might have missed that. Also, new Archeological evidence now points to the fact that many events in the New Testament might have been manipulated by New Testament figures to ensure compliance with Old Testament prophecies.
Just read what Beshoo has said.... He quoted Mohamed as justification for killing. Don't really think so. Least ways the Muslims I know don't interpret Mohamed quite the same. BTW the new US President is Muslim. Hope he does not agree with Beshoo's brand of Muslim... Maybe the US will go on a Jihad or something.
Until violence and killing stops, there can be no end to any conflict. One side needs to take the first step to end the conflict. There are usually two options. Completely obliterate your enemy or stop the violence and begin creating understanding, compromise, and tolerance. In our modern times, complete obliteration is not a good option since it could destroy all of us.
Anyway, I'm sorry I even got involved in this thread in the first place.
I tried to avoid it.
I'm on the way to the sun in a box....
Have Fun
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| Posted: 01/18/2009, 6:30 PM |
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***This post has been edited to remove statements describing my personal feelings about John's level of reading comprehension.***
John, even if you don't care about your lie about President Obama being legally actionable as libel, you may want to think about editing your post and removing the statement calling him a Muslim so that you don't look like a complete moron, to future generations.
Erev Tov,
For the record, President Obama, and the first family, are practicing Christians. He is not a Muslim, as John has stated. That is a well recorded fact. My opinion on the subject is that I don't care if he is or not, I worked for the campaign and voted for Barak Obama because I felt he was the best person for the job. I did so with my Aramaic first name and my Hebrew surname. As for me being anti-Semitic, or John's assertion that I stated something about all Jewish people having slain the Christ, please read my post. I asked him who he thought had killed the Christ. My personal belief, derived from historical fact, is that the Romans killed the Christ. As they were the only, people on the scene with the legal authority and the prerogative to do so. (Does that make me anti-Roman? lol... Don't even get me started on those darn-sneaky Trojans...)
John answered none of my questioned and instead made failed attempts to attach incorrect assertions in their place. I was very clear about my opinions, and had no way to know in advance that John wouldn't be able to understand my post when asking him questions regarding his post. Now I know.
Chalomot paz...
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| Posted: 01/18/2009, 11:07 PM |
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very strange replies indeed...
i doubt very much that john could be charged with libel - many, many americans, and many others the world over believe that obama is muslim - even news outlets have mistakenly suggested it in the past - not to worry - his pastor makes far more inflamatory statements than calling obama muslim
and as to (mis)understanding someones post?
you made some very strange responses to my analogy about poking bears... so strange that i chose to take them as an attempt to lighten the mood of the post... now i'm not so sure - in fact after re-reading your response you have deliberately and provocatively mis-quoted and mis-represented my analogy
troll or hypocrite or something else?
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| Posted: 01/18/2009, 11:58 PM |
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<made some snarky comments about anyone still believing the "Obama is a muslim" nonsense, then thought better of it and removed them> 
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| Posted: 01/19/2009, 1:41 AM |
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Quote JimmyCrackedCorn:
<made some snarky comments about anyone still believing the "Obama is a muslim" nonsense, then thought better of it and removed them>
dammit - i just did the same - posted it and thought better of it!
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| Posted: 01/19/2009, 6:52 AM |
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Can someone please run that sql injection bug that occurred over the weekend on just this particular message thread!? 
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| Posted: 01/19/2009, 7:22 AM |
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Quote E43509:
Can someone please run that sql injection bug that occurred over the weekend on just this particular message thread!?
i will {SQL INJECTION delete These thread} ^^{NOW}^^{ID ccgetparam(post_id)}
{Execute(SQL)}
nice one E43509 you make my day
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| Posted: 01/19/2009, 7:42 AM |
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He Oper.
I was going to stay out of here.
But I could not agree more.
Right On!!! lol
In fact when that happened I told Rick, At least that Gaza post is erased....
Bye again...
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| Posted: 01/19/2009, 11:59 PM |
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Quote damian:
and as to (mis)understanding someones post?
you made some very strange responses to my analogy about poking bears... so strange that i chose to take them as an attempt to lighten the mood of the post... now i'm not so sure - in fact after re-reading your response you have deliberately and provocatively mis-quoted and mis-represented my analogy
troll or hypocrite or something else?
With the choices given, I'd have to select: something else.
Let me clear up your confusion about my reply to your bear statement. I was attempting to show you how ridiculous your analogy was in relation to the situation being discussed, in a light-hearted fashion.
Almost as ridiculous as your defense and propogation of known lies. What does that make you?
Regardless, continue your name calling, because evidently this discussion has already taken your communication skills beyond your ability to reason.
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| Posted: 01/20/2009, 12:37 AM |
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i will settle for troll - i made an analogy and used the word *bear* - you responded with:
Quote :you claim Israel's collective IQ is beneath that of a mentally retarded human "bear"? That kind of racism/hate speech probably shouldn't have a home in this forum either.
i did not say john was correct - i simply pointed out that he is not alone in thinking obama is muslim - according to polls as many as 46% are unsure...
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=how+many+americans+st...ma+is+muslim%3f
Quote :Almost as ridiculous as your defense and propogation of known lies. What does that make you?
indeed - what does that make me?
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| Posted: 01/20/2009, 2:51 AM |
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Quote damian:
Please quote me. Where did I say, that you said, John was correct? Don't spend a lot of time looking, because I didn't. I said you defended him. Which suggests that you aren't comprehending what you're reading. That's not something I can help you with other than to suggest:
http://www.hookedonphonics.com/index.aspx
As for the name calling, I'm going to guess that this is not the first time you've had to resort to name calling when your inability to communicate has come into focus.
For giggles, can you point me to the "polls" that states as many as 46% are unsure about President Obama being Muslim? Me thinks, your reading comprehension issue has struck again. (And no. The nearly six month old Pew Research Center poll does not support your statement either. If that is what your referring to, please have someone else explain to you why your statement is inaccurate.)
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| Posted: 01/24/2009, 4:39 PM |
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I think this thread, does not belong here.
Has nothing to with CCS!
Even it is a "General" i think that means General about CCS discussion.
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| Posted: 01/25/2009, 2:25 AM |
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I find this discusion funny.
I live in the US.
Most our world's problems are caused by religion.
1. Extremist Muslums ( terrorist, declare jihad if you are not Muslum or whatever)
2. US declares war on terrorist, Afghanistan and Iraq (now money is involved, this cost plenty)
3. Israel and the Palistanians are at war (and have been for thousands of years, it won't end tomorrow, that kind of hate will never end.)
4. Judaism and Muslums share a common starting point Israel, both religons began there and have religous landmarks in Israel.
Solution
Bomb the landmarks, end of the war, nothing to fight over. LOL
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