marcel
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 2:04 AM |
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I just like to know the number of experienced CC-developers in Holland. I often get questions of my customers for support on sites I deliver. It would be a good thing to offer a network (online) that is able to put in extra (payed) support when needed.
I also developed an CC-application for the local government in Holland. This aplication will become available as open source for some 400 dutch municipalities. I expect a lot of enhancements and implementations, all based on CodeCharge.
About myself: I have an one-man ICT-company, use CC for many years, I am a business-analist, a bit of a programmer. I like codegeneration (CC, Artisteer) and component-based development.
So step 1: how many CC-developers in Holland are interested?
Marcel
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Gena
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 2:19 AM |
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I can offer you my help, but I'm in Italy. php, ccs 2, 3, 4.
i was working in Amsterdam (9 months) a few years ago 
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rho
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 2:22 AM |
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Hi Marcel,
there seem to be a lot of Dutchman using CCS and I am one of them!
I am definitely interested in setting up some kind of CCS-network. I think this would help out all one-man-CCS-companies and could promote the usage of CCS-based sites to a broader audience.
Drop me a private note in the forum with your off-forum details.
Cheers, Rob.
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mentecky
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 2:28 AM |
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marcel,
I'm not in Holland but I work remote all the time. A lot of the people here do. You'll find a lot of good talent here on the boards.
Rick
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marcel
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 3:37 AM |
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That is a quick respons, thanks. Maybe we could think about a construction with first support (in Holland, with possible direct mail/phone response to customers in Dutch if needed) and second support worldwide (programming issues, functional design, etc).
Marcel
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gerrit
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 4:24 AM |
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Hi,
I'm a dutchman.
Maybe we could make a Forum for people from Holland.
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jjrjr1
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Hey Gerrit & Marcel.
Would you like that forum created at CCSElite.com
We could call it Dutch CCS Forum. Could even add a on-line chat room that would provide live support for Dutch Clients.
Let me know.
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jjrjr1
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 11:22 AM |
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Hey Gerrit & Marcel.
Would you like that forum created at CCSElite.com
We could call it Dutch CCS Forum. Could even add a on-line chat room that would provide live support for Dutch Clients.
Let me know.
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marcel
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 12:27 PM |
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Hi John,
Thanks for the offer, I will keep it in mind. First want to get some feeling how many Dutch developers are interested.
Marcel
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damian
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 12:36 PM |
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the idea is to increase the sharing and community - dont dilute it by sharing your knowlege in another forum!
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damian wrote:
> the idea is to increase the sharing and community - dont dilute it by sharing
> your knowlege in another forum!
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I agree. I don't understand the desire to create something that already
exists. I could understand if there was a language barrier, but that
doesn't seem to apply here.
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jjrjr1
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 2:30 PM |
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Thanks Marcel.
Let me know. I hope it would be helpful for your support of Dutch clients and other CCS developers in your part of the world.
CCSElite has a rapidly growing membership and has much to offer that compliments YesSoftware's forum.
Most have found, just like there is more than one PHP forum in the world, and more than one ASP forum in the world, and more than one Unix/Linux forum in the world.... etc, CCSElite adds another aspect to the CCS community that is beneficial to many developers who want to keep their horizons broad and be open to all that CCS has to offer, including new techniques and methods of good solid software development.
As with any significant subject, the internet provides many many forums and outlets of meaningful and relevant information to broaden ones experience and knowledge on any topic discussed.
Again, the CCSElite community, along with this forum, belongs to all who are willing to openly share experiences and knowledge freely with all.
Let me know if Rick and I can be of help.
Have fun.
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marcel
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 2:47 PM |
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damian and datadoit,
I totally agree, the knowledge should be brought together. But the network I want to organize is ment to give direct support (in Dutch) to customers in Holland, to give continuity to my clients and to have backups for code-maintenance.
I think that working together locally - with possible live meetings and the advantage of easier native speaking - will enhance the use of CC. And that is a benefit for this forum.
Marcel
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damian
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| Posted: 02/19/2009, 4:55 PM |
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hi marcel - that sounds like a great idea
john - im not taking anything away from ccselite - there is lots of gret info to be found there - i just think that diluting what is not a large community of forum users may be counter productive... the dutch contigent of ccs users are valuable contributors and users of these forums already (we all miss W)
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mentecky
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Well I'm not sure what to say here. John simply offered a localized message board, that no one here can offer on the Y forums, and all the sudden he's watering down the offerings on this board. His offer was totally meant to be the opposite, give a group of CCS developers a place they can post in their native language. A group we probably wouldn't see here anyway.
CCSElite was never mean't to compete with this board or it's community. It's a suppliment. If that were not so, John and I wouldn't be posting solutions here. We'd just be posting our tips, tutorials and software on CCSElite and let you Google us. The fact is, some of the more complete solutions posted here are from us, with examples and links to pages created with that code. If CCSElite did not exist there would be no way to accomplish that.
When this board got destroyed by the SQL thing... CCSElite was still up and already patched to prevent the same thing happenning and had a TIP available with a quick patch for all to use.
I'm sorry, I do not get the diluted thing... if that were the case the internet would be about 10 pages long. One news page, one joke page, etc.
I don't know about John at this point because I haven't talked to him about this, but I'll be on CCSElite if you need me. It emails me all messages so I'll know you have questions. I'll be spending the time I was spending here making tutorials and expanding the tools we support.
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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At the risk of upsetting John and Rick (which I am NOT trying to do) I'll just say again that I too think it is much better to keep the discussion here at the CCS forums. This is not an enormous community like the internet; it is pretty small actually. I really don't want to have to search multiple forums for the answers to my CCS questions!
Rick, I honestly mean no offense. You have helped me here several times and I really appreciate your expertise and inputs. And I hope you continue to frequent these forums. I just truly do not see a need to duplicate the CCS forums.
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mentecky
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| Posted: 02/20/2009, 2:25 AM |
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JCC,
I'm not upset. Disappointed maybe. The fact is there is room and in fact CCSElite was key in the SQL injection fix happening so fast because our board was up and we pointed Yes at the exact function that failed. So, the entire dilution thing goes out the window... because I posted the exact same fix here 3 times before I posted it on CCSElite. Each time it got wiped out here. Had it not been for CCSElite Peter and the others never would have seen my post.
The other fact is, CCS is not my only tool. I expect to be posting more on the others at CCSElite and not spending as much time here.
I'll respond to this thread but I will not be visiting several times a day like I was.
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marcel
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| Posted: 02/20/2009, 3:56 AM |
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I agree with JCC that we should not have to much different forumsites to discuss CC-issues. Therefore I will not start such forum myself, but put my questions on the CC-forum, that is what I ment by an earlier reply.
On the other hand we need competition and innovation, which we will not find at the CC-forum. The CCSElite-site is supplementary to CC and most of the discussions are on the CC-forum, with valuable contributes from John an Rick. Yessoftware should have enhanced thier forums and when not, the market will fill in the cap.
So, I see no problem with CCSElite, but as said, I will not start an extra forum myself.
John and Rick, still thanks for the offer.
Marcel
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damian
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| Posted: 02/20/2009, 4:39 AM |
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truly not trying to step on toes (but seem to be anyway)...
there is another forum on this site dedicated to an alternate language....
http://forums.yessoftware.com/forum.php?forum_id=30
however the dutch guys seem to be quite comfortable conversing in english too....
i think what marcel is doing, setting up a developers group to assist each other in supplying direct support and strengthening their offering to customers seems smart and logical
ccselite is a great resource and rick and john have quite obviously put a lot of time and effort into it. you guys help out many others here too
if rick leaves this forum it will be a loss
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mentecky
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| Posted: 02/21/2009, 12:51 AM |
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Marcel,
You're very welcome.
damian,
You have not stepped on any toes, nor has anyone else here.
This is not the first time I've heard the "diluting" thing... in fact I've heard it from YesSoftware after they got a complaint. Yes dropped it after reviewing my posts and the site. Yes has since in fact posted links to CCSElite.
Right now I just plan on working on the site and content rather than spend my time posting long fixes here. Today, in the time I would normally have been here, I added a new search engine to the CCSElite message boards. It actually felt good to code for myself for a change.
I'm sorry if it feels like I'm taking my ball and going home. I'm really not. You all know where to find me if you need me.
Rick
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gmsbv
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| Posted: 02/22/2009, 4:19 AM |
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Hi,
Great alternative !
I have been using CC since 2000 in The Netherlands.
I have made a CodeCharge Dutch Support website:
http://codecharge.weebly.com
Please let me know what you would like to see more .
Best regards,
Marco Groeneveld
www.gmsbv.nl
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mentecky
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| Posted: 02/22/2009, 4:24 AM |
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Marco,
It's apparent that no one wants an alternative site here. I'm moving on, you should probably too.
Rick
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