jjrjr1
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| Posted: 06/09/2009, 4:52 PM |
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Hi
Just kinda wanted to take exception to the statements made below.
Quote JimmyCrackedCorn:
Quote :@jjrjr1, you get a less than positive response because you act as though you have this fantastic solution ready and CCS developers are just too dumb to see it. you answered this person's wish as if the requested feature was already available. well, first of all, the requested feature was for THIS website and it does NOT already exist. so it was a good suggestion. second, you have a grand total of 14 websites in your gallery and at least 4 of them were created by the owners of your site. and finally, as Melvyn bluntly pointed out...well you know what Melvyn said.
and, as I have stated before, when you respond to a post here with a link to an answer you post in your forum that is blatantly self-promoting and harmful to this community.
If I am causing harm to this community, then what does that say? Please let me know.
Here is the original thread.
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=106528
I am just trying to create and add value to our existing community. Let me know if I have missed that mark.
CCSElite is intended for all of us. If there is no value for you there, I am very sorry since Rick, Walter, and I had hoped to add value. That was the plan anyway.....
Thanks from a very contrite,
John
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 06/09/2009, 6:21 PM |
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I stand by what I said in the other thread! Anyone, not just you, who comes here with a mission to promote their own commercial website is suspect. In the thread you referenced, there are 29 posts, 17 of which are by you mostly promoting your website. In most forums that would be labeled SPAM very quickly and the offender given a stern warning.
As you well know this is not a new subject. You were promoting your website here months ago and if memory serves me there was quite a heated discussion here that ended with Rick and you saying you were closing your website because the CCS community did not embrace it.
As I read through your past posts and after a careful review of your website two things are immediately obvious, 1) your website is not currently a significant CCS resource and 2) you dearly want it to be. You cannot reasonably expect to build your "resource" on the backs of this community. I for one am quite happy to come here and participate in this community and I have no desire to help you build a duplicate.
One of my main complaints with you last time was that you would come here, read a question, go to your own website and answer the question and then come back here and post a link to your website. And you even complained when users of this forum refused to follow your post and reply at your website!! That behavior is blatently self-promoting and, yes, harmful to this community. When I am searching for an answer here I should not have to run into threads where someone has diverted the conversation to their own website. If you and Rick decide again to close your website all those threads and any useful info they contain will be lost at that point.
I am probably wasting my breath with you so I am sending a formal complaint to Yes with a request to limit the amount of self-promotion you are allowed to do here.
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peterr
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| Posted: 06/09/2009, 11:47 PM |
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Hi,
I just want to state that we received several similar complaints via PM and the support system about the overly aggressive promotion of external forums by CCSElite. Therefore this issue has occasionally came up. At the same time the value of external resource sites is undeniable, therefore our problem may be that we only have one person like John  With more people and companies promoting their websites they would naturally need to quickly figure out a respectful way to do this, without upsetting each other and the community.
Therefore I think that the solution may be simply to imagine that 50% of forum users are already competing for promoting their websites. In this case linking to external forums would be naturally eliminated as there would be no way for the community to agree to go to 10 different forums to find answers to their question posted here.
The same should apply to general advertising and promoting of other websites. No one wants to see ads everywhere on the forums, therefore many types of self-promotion would be eliminated immediately by the community.
This is not a very specific solution, so any more specific ideas for posting and moderating the forums are welcome. For now if I do need to get involved I may simply judge and get involved (edit a post) by imagining 10 other people posting similar information about their websites, and deciding if this can be positive for the community.
As for specific rules, I think that just including a bit of information in the footer would be most reasonable, while anything else would really need to fit into the context of a forum message, such as pointing to an existing tutorial on another website.
BTW John, thank you for all the helpful information you provide.
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mentecky
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| Posted: 06/10/2009, 12:29 AM |
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Hi all,
Man, I so did not want to get involved in rehashing this same complaint.
PeterR... thanks for the response.
First, I see no problem posting an answer to a question as a TIP on CCSElite's forum and posting a link here as an answer. Some people do look to CCSElite as a source of information and we have our own mailing lists that people subscribe to. Posting the answer only here would deprive our users of content they had subscribed to.
Second, JCC is wrong. Yes's board is a Tech Support forum. If you think Yes is going to allow you to upload images and software, you're wrong. They don't have the resources. That's what CCSElite was for and it does compliment the Y forums if you like it or not.
Third, as far as a "business venture" CCSElite makes very little money, in fact most months it costs us. In fact, our users make more money on the site than John and I by posting code in the store.
JCC, if you don't want to use CCSElite that is your option. I'm pretty sure you used it at least once when we posted a temporary fix for SQL injection and this board crashed.
John has done nothing that others haven't done before. We've had postings promising tutorial sites, CodeCharge Tools and others. The only difference is we actually followed through and made a site to go to for extra information.
PeterR... Feel free to edit our posts. We understand there is a TOS and won't be upset with you or Yes. Please PM us if you do, so we know where we crossed the line.
I will say this, I get a lot more positive comments on the solutions we provide than I do negative stuff here. That's the only reason I did not pull the plug on CCSElite during the last JCC bashing session and why I will not do so in the future.
Have a good day all!
Serenity Now
Rick
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 06/10/2009, 2:33 AM |
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Quote mentecky:
JCC, if you don't want to use CCSElite that is your option. I'm pretty sure you used it at least once when we posted a temporary fix for SQL injection and this board crashed.
well, you'd be wrong about that!
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That's the only reason I did not pull the plug on CCSElite during the last JCC bashing session and why I will not do so in the future.
Go back and read the old posts. I was only one of several you annoyed with the aggressive way you and John tried to push your website. In fact, re-read Peter's post while you're at it!
Quote peterr:I just want to state that we received several similar complaints via PM and the support system about the overly aggressive promotion of external forums by CCSElite.
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mentecky
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| Posted: 06/10/2009, 5:38 AM |
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ckroon
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| Posted: 06/10/2009, 6:40 AM |
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Have to throw my two cents in.
I like CCSElite and find it a very useful resource. We need more like it and more people like John and Mentecky to keep them going.
Third party resources is what will make CCS an awesome tool and we need to encourage more of them. CCSElite.. keep up the good work!
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melvyn
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| Posted: 06/10/2009, 7:50 AM |
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Quote ckroon:
Have to throw my two cents in.
I like CCSElite and find it a very useful resource. We need more like it and more people like John and Mentecky to keep them going.
Third party resources is what will make CCS an awesome tool and we need to encourage more of them. CCSElite.. keep up the good work!
Nobody denies that. Neither me or Jimmy. What we regret is the agressive promotion here.
Somebody come here and ask a question. Some "CCSElite" go there, elaborate an answer and come here to reply the original post: "go to ccselite and you will be saved". I don't like that. By the way I was one of the first to sign up in CCSElite. I believe they can do a good job in tutorials, gallery, examples and more. That's ok. Their forums are dead. Lots of them with zero post or no post since march or so. Then, in the way to generate traffic the solution can't be to move users from here to there.
I come here read the archiv and find invaluable help in older post. I answer when some rookie ask. This forum can't be replaced. Those are my 2 cents.
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Oper
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| Posted: 06/11/2009, 4:43 PM |
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we should all open a forum and every answer doit outside in our personal forum and
link to the answer Case solved.
Dont get me wrong, if i need to buy something for 39u$ for sure i will sale for 1K us$ later definitly i will doit, i'm the person who prefer to buy stuff is simple and more productive even stuff that are integrated in CCS like Graphics we bought a external Library (money alway will get in return)
also i wont buy a 1cts stuff from jjr site after the trashtalk when the {SQL} injection happened
hey but that just me.
but BUY for y$ and later sale for 4y $ is really a simple Bussines and the way to go
but i state let all open a forum so when we all end using CCS the YES FORUM will be an empty esqueleton of question without answer to a Broken LINK.
you site is not causing any harm (even i dont visited) the problem is not the site is the way you are handling stuff.
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joejac
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| Posted: 06/13/2009, 10:05 AM |
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Hello,
In my humble opinion, I consider the help of John and Rick invaluable to this forum, as well as the help of other members like Walter(R.I.P.), Melvyn, Oper, Damian, etc.
I do not consider they are causing harm to our community, on the contrary, please see the quality of this advice, in fact it is not an advice, it is a complete tutorial of the highest quality.
http://forums.codecharge.com/posts.php?post_id=103166
I wonder how much does it would cost if we should have to hire an expert to take the time to do it?
Yes, they show links to their website, but, how they can show the solution working to non professional programmers or people new to CCS?, how can we see our mistake if we do not have an example?
Please see these 2 post too, where the benefit of the links are obvious to me:
http://forums.codecharge.com/posts.php?post_id=102912
http://forums.codecharge.com/posts.php?post_id=103704
I understand Peter and the other members, but I would consider ccselite a partner in CCS training.
Those are my thoughts.
Thank you very much
Best regards
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geebee
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| Posted: 06/14/2009, 3:08 AM |
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You know what guys, I am sick to death of these threads. These type of threads will cause more harm to the CCS community than CCSElite ever will.
If you don't like a CCSElite post, then browse on by.
If you think CCSElite have crossed the line, then report the post to YES.
If you think CCSElite could supplement the YES forums in a better way, then feel free to suggest how.
Squabbling on a public forum is certainly not the way forward.
Graham
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 06/14/2009, 4:02 PM |
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Quote geebee:
You know what guys, I am sick to death of these threads.
Using your own logic, if you don't like these threads, then browse on by. 
Quote geebee:
If you think CCSElite have crossed the line, then report the post to YES.
Quote peterr:
I just want to state that we received several similar complaints via PM and the support system about the overly aggressive promotion of external forums by CCSElite.
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geebee
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| Posted: 06/14/2009, 4:24 PM |
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Quote JimmyCrackedCorn:
Quote geebee:
You know what guys, I am sick to death of these threads.
Using your own logic, if you don't like these threads, then browse on by.
Quote geebee:
If you think CCSElite have crossed the line, then report the post to YES.
Quote peterr:
I just want to state that we received several similar complaints via PM and the support system about the overly aggressive promotion of external forums by CCSElite.
Somehow, I just knew you couldn't let sleeping dogs lie and would have to make a comment. geez 
Regardless of whether you respond or not, this is my last post on the matter. If you want to continue this discussion, please feel free to pm me.
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 06/14/2009, 6:13 PM |
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Quote geebee:
Somehow, I just knew you couldn't let sleeping dogs lie and would have to make a comment. geez
don't be silly. YOU were the one who revived the thread. I just responded to your comment.
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