niwicp
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| Posted: 02/10/2010, 12:32 PM |
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When things go wrong you have the right to protest, you have to raise your voice to get them right. But when things go fine then you have the duty to say it as loud as you claimed ...
About 3 months ago I wrote a post about CCS 4.3 high instability, I said I was experiencing a lot of crashes and was very unsatisfied. Since the thread received a lot of comments so I would like to update my experience.
In this period I've tried reinstalling it, deleting first all the registry keys, as suggested by rbaldwin. I then started to work on 2 small projects, just to try, and I've had no crashes till 2 weeks ago when inserting a new php variable, read hitting "$" key, caused CCS to freeze and then crash.
I've contacted the support, we tried some solutions and then they sent me an updated PHP parser dll which solved the problem.
So I want to say that CCS 4.3 works fine and a big thank you to the support team.
Nik
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Stanj
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| Posted: 02/10/2010, 9:52 PM |
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After reading the long list of complaints in another thread I had to check my version number to make use I had had an earlier version because working on an important project as I have been for the last few weeks, it would have been a real problem if I upgraded to such a buggy version. Turns out I have the same one as installed as described in the other thread.
I usually never see the reported bugs maybe because I have a stock set up of Vista and only use PHP but this latest version has been very stable for me, everything works that I have tried using.
One of the complaints was uploaded files do not like spaces in file names. My production server is Linux so I never have tried to use spaces or illegal characters in Windows style file names so I never seen a problem. I'll have to try to break it to see what happens by trying space filled file names. That is not a real issue for my application because it is for an in-house web application where we use a standard file naming policy.
Otherwise I have to think some complaints are involving specific environments that have less to do with the CCS code than changes in the users system. Otherwise thousands of people would be complaining.
There is another factor in this case in the other thread. The people involved seem to have an desire to get people to view their web site and buy their commercial products. They sent out emails to people who in the past visited their forum and site saying CCS was unusable and that everyone was invited to join two threads on their forum where discussions were going on about what to do about it. I think only one person responded with a comment but basically the crux was that since CCS was so "bad" they were switching to a Microsoft beta environment and hinted they were developing their own commercial competitor to CCS. That set off alarm bells in my head, this latest attempt to get attention and dumb up interest in an alternative might be a marketing ploy to siphon off YesSoftware customers.
The two systems are not at all alike so if the other one is better suited to them fine, maybe they should have used it in the first place instead of a RAD, and switch now.
So as in the past I have the feeling the whole thread was more as promotion than to actually address problems they may or may not be having.
Personally, I love CCS and have since CC 1.01 a long time ago, it has paid for itself many times over and while I have had a few problems a long the way I never had it stop my work or had to wait long for a solution. It is working fine for me in its latest form.
An employee came to me yesterday with a suggestion for a new report collecting some additional data. By the time she finished her tea break, I had prototyped and tested the new report, sent it to a few people to ask if they could break it and had it uploaded to our server. That is why I love CCS and nothing else does what it does. It has made a lot of money for my business as the end user. Without it, I would have had to contract out programming because I am not a programmer. Being able to see a hole in our operation or seeing some feature that might give an advantage for our customers who use the shopping cart and booking/reservation system CCS allows me to fill it within hours or days. Our competitors are always 6 months or a 1 year behind and I attribute our growth from a tiny start up a few years ago to be the largest independent company in our field, with offices in 7 countries to having such a tool as CCS.
Stan
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mentecky
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| Posted: 02/13/2010, 10:07 PM |
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Stan,
I'm glad you seem to not be experiencing any problems and for your success using CodeCharge. That's the position we would all like to be in. You seem to have misread my post or at least misinterpreted it's meaning.
First of all... I have nothing to gain by listing problems that others have listed here other than letting YesSoftware know that I too am experiencing the same problems. How can you think posting problems here could possibly help any web site I run? It in fact has the opposite effect. To further that point, what makes you think I need to boost my site at all? Google "CodeCharge Studio" and you will see my point clearly.
Second, your assumption that it's specific environments is false. I currently run XP on my desktop and Windows 7 on my laptop. CCS has the same issues on both systems. I also work on MANY projects using many different server platforms. I can say that in PHP if it's broken in Linux it's usually broken in Windows, but not 100% of the time. I can also say that aside from the GUI/IDE issues, PHP has it's own set of problems, C#/In-motion it's own and ASP it's own.
Did a News Letter go out to registered users of one of my sites? Yes it did. Again, not a marketing ploy because they are registered users and have the option to opt-out of any messages sent from the site. It is an invitation for our users to speak freely about problems so we can compile a list to be sent to Yes in an area where comments are not filtered and possibly get people that just gave up to comment.
I don't know where you got me or anyone I know writing a competing product. If it was said it was probably in the context of "it would be easier to write a competing product than dealing with my projects getting trashed on an almost daily basis".
The basic "crux", as you call it, was we are investigating other options and people did reply with other options. So that tells you right there that some people have already given up. Saying we were looking at a BETA has more history than I just randomly picked a beta version of another product. I have been using that product since before it was a "Studio" and Windows 3 was the hottest thing on the planet. I use the current version now daily. The mention of the new version was only because it is a lot more web centric than it's older brother.
Like Nik states above. He had an issue and Yes sent him a patch. Great! Why has Yes not released an update since October of last year then? If there is a known problem why don't the people that have purchased Perpetual Licenses have it unless they beg support for it after they crash a project? These are the problems that need to be addressed. Why should I need to wait 2 days for support to email me a patch when it's a known issue and they have a fix for it?
As to your example, I agree. Not many other products can do 15 minute-ware like CCS. And if it's a 15 minute page and it gets deleted or over-written it's no big deal. But when a complex page that took a day to write gets blasted and you have to go to yesterday's backup. That is an issue. I unfortunately work in a world where 15 minute applications, including testing, do not exist.
I still stand by my list of issues and have since found others in 4.3.
I have stopped all new development in 4.3 and have stopped taking any new jobs involving it's use. I am still however using 3.2 because it's mostly stable. I'll keep doing this until Yes comes out with an update that rolls all these patches into one install and I can make it work, even if I still need to save my work every 5 minutes.
Rick
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mentecky
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| Posted: 02/13/2010, 10:07 PM |
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<<This was a duplicate of the above so I scrubbed it>>
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