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Not had chance to do any kind of app, wouldn't dare try it with real stuff:))
But as I have evolved to use CCS purely as a data provider and styled everything outside it, I thought they may have introduced a little more custom control in the program. It's no big issue for me I'll just carry on as normal. But it would have been nice:)
I'll build something and see if the basics are any better, although lately 4.3 has been great.
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(EDIT: also can't seem to open the artisteer files in artisteer?)
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| Posted: 03/07/2012, 5:58 AM |
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I only took a brief look but didn't see anything as ground-breaking as in previous releases. I'm pretty much resigned to using CCS as a tool to create back-end admin systems. For public-facing stuff I usually hand code to get maximum integration with our web designs, achieve compatibility with standards, etc. CCS would be great if it was updated to the latest standards, with more modern designs, easy integration with jquery, etc. I don't understand the roadmap for CCS (nor has one ever been offered up!)
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Waspman
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| Posted: 03/08/2012, 1:14 AM |
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I'd be happier if in the new version the module generator problem was fixed:)
I don't like the dumbing down Artisteer integration that much, but then I don't like artisteer:) apart from when the client wonts a quick WP template-haha.
Yeah. I'd prefer more control over design elements, look at something like Concrete5. Simple template creation and integration.
And Jquery, well that's easy enough anyway so not sure how or why you'd integrate that.
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Gena
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| Posted: 03/08/2012, 1:41 AM |
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Quote Waspman:
I'd be happier if in the new version the module generator problem was fixed:)
what do you mean? What is the "module" you mean? what is the problem?
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Waspman
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| Posted: 03/08/2012, 1:54 AM |
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I often have problems with the module generator when I publish. Learn't to live with it.
Just turn off CCS and start again. I save everything as a habit now. 
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 03/08/2012, 8:11 AM |
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they could integrate jquery similar to how they did prototype I guess. and you're right of course, anything can be added manually but that's kinda the point of a generator tool so I don't have to add it manually. but in truth I don't really care. I've resigned myself to using CCS as a basic back-end code generator for admin panels and everything else I hand-code or use another tool.
and I agree with your comment about saving. I learned early on to save every few minutes after losing hours of work a few times.
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| Posted: 03/08/2012, 10:11 AM |
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CCS has had an autosave changes feature since v3. It's under Tools ->
Options.
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Yes seems to have a "We don't give a rats-behind what you think" policy,
therefore we have a "We'll wait until you work the kinks out" policy
before purchasing upgrade licenses.
We'll make purchases when we see v5.2+.
Now let's see how long this post lasts, considering the Yes policy
stated above.
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Waspman
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| Posted: 03/08/2012, 11:45 AM |
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Yeah, I think I turned off the autosave pretty quick when it kept slowing CCS down.
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 03/13/2012, 8:45 AM |
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plus, when a tool is a bit crashy I'm not gonna trust that its autosave feature is any more stable!
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Quine
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| Posted: 03/13/2012, 9:25 AM |
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I couldn't do anything with the beta, because it was waaaaay too slow. I only found out today, that there was a release candidate, and that now 5.x is officially out.
My fault, I should have subscribed to announcements. Hopefully that slowness is gone; that was the only thing in the way of testing.
Quote Waspman:
Not had chance to do any kind of app, wouldn't dare try it with real stuff:))
But as I have evolved to use CCS purely as a data provider and styled everything outside it, I thought they may have introduced a little more custom control in the program. It's no big issue for me I'll just carry on as normal. But it would have been nice:)
I'll build something and see if the basics are any better, although lately 4.3 has been great.
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(EDIT: also can't seem to open the artisteer files in artisteer?)
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| Posted: 03/13/2012, 6:37 PM |
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How disappointing to discover, upon arriving at home after eagerly hoping to play with CCS5 tonight, that the serial number they provided in January, is not valid for 5.x.
Well, I hope the rest of you are having fun with 5.x. Looks like it will be another day or two, for me.
Quote Quine:
I couldn't do anything with the beta, because it was waaaaay too slow. I only found out today, that there was a release candidate, and that now 5.x is officially out.
My fault, I should have subscribed to announcements. Hopefully that slowness is gone; that was the only thing in the way of testing.
Quote Waspman:
Not had chance to do any kind of app, wouldn't dare try it with real stuff:))
But as I have evolved to use CCS purely as a data provider and styled everything outside it, I thought they may have introduced a little more custom control in the program. It's no big issue for me I'll just carry on as normal. But it would have been nice:)
I'll build something and see if the basics are any better, although lately 4.3 has been great.
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(EDIT: also can't seem to open the artisteer files in artisteer?)
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| Posted: 03/13/2012, 9:30 PM |
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I can attest to the fact that the slowness was only in the beta.. it is pretty speedy now.
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| Posted: 03/14/2012, 3:58 AM |
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Well there are several things I like about 5. I like the layout of the home page better. I like that you put in the actual MySQL information to develop your app now, instead of having to create an ODBC connection for design. I like the look of the new app builder, even though it's mostly cosmetic, it's much nicer. I don't know that I fully understand how to use the data dictionary yet but it's a nice feature.
The release is much much faster than the original beta.
I don't really care about whether it's jquery or whatever - to me the whole idea behind Codecharge is to shield me from that. ;)
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| Posted: 03/14/2012, 8:14 AM |
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I love it!
I was using the beta and now the production version for my current project and everything is working great.
Seems faster than earlier versions too.
Thanks for the work guys @yessoftware.
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| Posted: 03/14/2012, 9:53 AM |
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Yes, look nice and are good news that yessoftware is still working after a couple of years of silence, but I have tested one day and I note some things that I hope they correct, please comment:
1) The New Page Opcion only have available a new CCS page, not a template and not simple pages like, .js, .html, .xml or .txt like in previous versions, yes allways you can create a page in other editor and add to the project, but I think is better to do that inside the IDE
2) When I create a new project the standars option only have htm and xhtml (plus 508) but I think i may include html 5 it mean <!doctype html>, again i may be possible addin manually or in the page template but is best directly inside the IDE
3) The autocomplet don't work as espected, in fact is faster that previous version but not allways "autocomple" the name of the objects, it must be improved
4) I think JQuery must be available to use directly inside the IDE, prototype and yui are good but a lot of people prefer JQuery (I'm included) and the community is much more active
This is my fisrt day of testing, some one can comment/add some impressions?
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laneoc
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| Posted: 03/14/2012, 4:27 PM |
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Can you have an installation of 4.3 and 5.0 on the same machine - with the same license key?
If possible, I'd like to start working with 5.0 but hedge my bet!
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Waspman
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| Posted: 03/15/2012, 2:35 AM |
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I just opened 4.3 and the upgrade panel popped up. One of the things it said in the key feature that interests me is "Builder output can be customized with user defined HTML templates" is that proper HTML templates created outside CCS or the Artisteer thing?
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cleyan
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| Posted: 03/16/2012, 8:20 AM |
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laneoc, you can installa both versions in the same computer, but the licence key are not the same
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roeya
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Quote Waspman:
I just opened 4.3 and the upgrade panel popped up. One of the things it said in the key feature that interests me is "Builder output can be customized with user defined HTML templates" is that proper HTML templates created outside CCS or the Artisteer thing?
From playing with CCS5 Beta the idea is that if you want your grids, froms etc. have other default html you can change it using custom html you create. It is very useful when you need something like creating javascript array,instead of generating grid then deleting all the html tags you can simply create a template for such a grid so you do not need to delete the html tags every time you create a grid to populate javascript array
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Cool-Cat
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Quote DataDoIT:
We'll make purchases when we see v5.2+.
I upgraded. Had memory leak with 1.5+GB virtual memory used on a tiny project. I would normally wait until v5.3+ but I will just have to see if maintenance versions are release before another v6.x level.
If v6.x comes out too soon, without 5.x fixes, then out goes CCS.
It is a matter of trust after such a long time without release fixes.
Rgds,
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FrankR
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Quote Cool-Cat:
Quote DataDoIT:
We'll make purchases when we see v5.2+.
I upgraded. Had memory leak with 1.5+GB virtual memory used on a tiny project. I would normally wait until v5.3+ but I will just have to see if maintenance versions are release before another v6.x level.
If v6.x comes out too soon, without 5.x fixes, then out goes CCS.
It is a matter of trust after such a long time without release fixes.
Rgds,
A Hinxman
A 1.5GB development machine is really pushing it these days. What OS?
I doubt you'll see a V6 come out too soon, and I'm sure there will be maintenance for V5.
There already has been. Are you running with the latest?
The people who are waiting to upgrade: do you use this to get your job done, or it just for some hobby? If you actually get your job done with CCS, don't you think it would help keep the product alive and well - by paying for an upgrade?
Again, if you are hobbyist, of course you don't want to throw money around. But if this is a Business Tool for you, for real, then you Really should help the cause and pay for an upgrade.
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Waspman
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| Posted: 04/25/2012, 12:00 PM |
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CCS is a major part of our business. Waiting for the upgrades we started exploring other techniques so CCS became less of a complete tool to the point where it's now just a data provider.
I never liked Artisteer. It's the reason I learnt CSS.
Now it's integrated into CCS (which I understand) it's less attractive for us.
If CCS had developed in a different way (my way and possibly not the right way) then I would have upgraded. CCS changed my life and taught me so much, I've just out grown it.
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Quote FrankR:
Quote Cool-Cat:
Quote DataDoIT:
We'll make purchases when we see v5.2+.
It is a matter of trust after such a long time without release fixes.
A 1.5GB development machine is really pushing it these days. What OS?
Latest CCS version, XP 32 bit SP3 + all patches, 4GB dev machine and agree we should fund CCS developers. I reviewed switching to other RAD IDE based solutions and CCS still holds out OK, if not the best.
I still find it manic that a small demo project loads with VM of about 80k and then grows to 1.5gb VM. We do not have the debug libraries for this code but did anyone ever check for memory leaks?
The leak is likely to be in the JavaScript of the real time display of the page.
Standards and trust that things will get to be fixed is my real concern.
Rgds,
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Quote Cool-Cat:
Quote FrankR:
Quote Cool-Cat:
Quote DataDoIT:
We'll make purchases when we see v5.2+.
It is a matter of trust after such a long time without release fixes.
A 1.5GB development machine is really pushing it these days. What OS?
Latest CCS version, XP 32 bit SP3 + all patches, 4GB dev machine and agree we should fund CCS developers. I reviewed switching to other RAD IDE based solutions and CCS still holds out OK, if not the best.
I still find it manic that a small demo project loads with VM of about 80k and then grows to 1.5gb VM. We do not have the debug libraries for this code but did anyone ever check for memory leaks?
The leak is likely to be in the JavaScript of the real time display of the page.
Standards and trust that things will get to be fixed is my real concern.
Rgds,
A Hinxman
Did you send them a support ticket?
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I often have problems with the module generator when I publish. Learn't to live with it.
Just turn off CCS and start again. I save everything as a habit now.
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zhucehao
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I can attest to the fact that the slowness was only in the beta.. it is pretty speedy now.
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laneoc
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CONVERSION: Lots of conversion issues. Looks like it will be about an hour per page invested by the time everything is clean. (Many pages no work at all, but a few with a great deal of time needed to find solutions.)
IDE: I *really* dislike the new interface, but maybe I'll get used to it. I was hoping the cursor position problem (alt-tab to other program, then back) would be fixed, but it is not. It seems a little quicker. Had a lot of IDE crashes. Support had me uninstall and reinstall. No crashes since. (?)
New features: I'm still fixing problems caused by the conversion. Hopefully the new features will be worth it all.
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laneoc
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| Posted: 06/08/2012, 12:54 PM |
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Correction... not all crashes are resolved. Any IDE search across all project files will crash. No error message, just "poof" the CCS program disappears!!
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This problem has occurred at least since v3.2.
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