DonP
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| Posted: 11/11/2012, 2:08 PM |
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I've been using CodeCharge and then CodeCharge Studio since the earliest
versions and have always had issues with the Help system. It either gives
too many results or none at all, and the results it does give seem to relate
to a different programming language. For example OnValidate is an event type
that is used throughout the different supported languages yet a Help search
on OnValidate pulls out results only for ASP. In order to find help on PHP
or one of the others, it is necessary to search on Validate by itself and
that is because all the other languages have it as two words (On Validate)
rather than as the actual function name, OnValidate. Another example is
addError which pulls up help only for Java and I'm confident that searches
on nearly any other function or process is similarly poorly documented. The
information is usually there but almost impossible to locate, which seems to
defeat the purpose.
The Help has GREATLY improved since the earlier versions of CC and CCS but
with this inconsistency, it is still more or less useless, or at least not
as useful as it might be. Can someone at YesSoftware PLEASE take the time to
fix it? Thank you.
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DataDoIT
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| Posted: 11/11/2012, 7:23 PM |
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I have the wiki at http://wiki.codechargesupport.com, but I seem to be
too busy or lazy to update it. Feel free to help populate it.
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andrewi
Posts: 162
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| Posted: 11/13/2012, 12:07 AM |
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Hi Don & Data,
I've also been using CCS since CC. I have never understood how the search works. Every time I use help I grimace inwardly knowing it will be a struggle.
For example, sometimes I forget one of the CCGet... functions, and normally I type just "CCGet" hoping to get partial matches, and am greeted with "no topics found".
Update: your post inspired me to do some tests - and I've found that you _can_ use the wildcard character, which I hadn't realised before. E.g.
Search for CCGet* and you'll get a nice list of all CCGet functions.
Search for CCGet* AND PHP and you'll get only the PHP functions.
However, it still doesn't help with finding OnValidate and AddError (I've hunted for that one!).
I suppose it just wouldn't be CCS if it had good help. One reason that I'm not in a hurry to upgrade is that I couldn't face having to learn the product again with negligable help. On the other hand, it looks like the basic processing model of CCS5 hasn't changed very much, which is probably just as well.
Andrew
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saseow
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| Posted: 11/13/2012, 3:02 AM |
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Hi andrewi,
Upgrade! CCS 5 is really a huge improvement. Alas, help is no better but still worth the money/effort.
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andrewi
Posts: 162
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| Posted: 11/13/2012, 6:50 AM |
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Hi saseow,
I won't say I haven't thought about moving to CCS5, and your enthusiasm helps.
Could you say what the one or two "killer improvements" were for you?
Andrew
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bannedone
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| Posted: 11/13/2012, 6:59 AM |
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I gotta say for me, it was the Artisteer integration. It is awesome.
I agree with saseow.. CCS5 rocks.
Also believe it or not I do like the new Ribbon GUI.
Hace fun
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| Posted: 11/13/2012, 7:02 AM |
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All our new App are Done in CCS5
Some 4.3 hasnt been migrated becasue they are huge and we are doing slowly to avoid problem with customer.
Definitly even with few Issue its better.
Yes Aritsteer integration is a Plus (Some customer love the look)
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bannedone
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| Posted: 11/13/2012, 7:07 AM |
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Oper..
That is the exact same path I am taking.
All new devel in CCS5. Not changing any of my 4.3 apps.
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PCHome
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| Posted: 11/14/2012, 12:12 AM |
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I skipped v4 and went from v3.2 directly to v5 because v3 used a number of PHP functions, such as split(), that have been depreciated. While they caused no grief on live sites and I use CCS very rarely anyway these days after fining that it spoiled me to the point that I was beginning to forget "real world" programming, the only issues were when I needed to fix an existing site. The depreciated functions would give an error on my development system. Although I've not used nor even needed any of the new features of CCS v5 and the jury is still out on whether or not I like the UI, at least getting rid of the errors is a good reason to upgrade.
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RoyHobbs99223
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| Posted: 11/14/2012, 12:53 PM |
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Yes. Leaving v4 apps in v4 format is best, especially the big ones. But how are you having 2 different versions of CCS working so you can continue to work on the older projects in v4?
The Aristeer integration in v5 is very nice and works well.
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bannedone
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| Posted: 11/14/2012, 2:06 PM |
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I have both CCS ver 4.3 and CCS 5 installed on the same box.
Works fine.
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andrewi
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| Posted: 11/15/2012, 11:35 AM |
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I use CCS mainly for one largeish (though not huge) app. The thought of testing the upgrade to 5 is a little offputting. Mind you, I've dragged it through all previous upgades from 1 to 4.3.
But can I conclude that, since several of you are leaving large apps in 4.3, there aren't quite enough enough gains in version 5 to make the conversion worthwhile?
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MichaelMcDonald
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| Posted: 11/15/2012, 12:06 PM |
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With regard to PHP the options of outputting in php4 or php5 remain in the project settings and so appear to be drawn from a library based on that setting.
There are additional components and builders in CCS v5 - a new set of AJAX features and some new builders, however all features which are in 4 remain in 5.
I noticed when upgrading that it goes through each page and updates HTML id attributes.
Ajax panel might not as well work at all in V5 as the builder infers that an AJAX panel can be added to an existing panel - but it cannot (I have been told by Support this as the situation) - it appears the only way it works is to place it on the page and then build a record or grid inside it so forget about moving components into it - I have tried with reasonable complex pages and it fails.
The "ribbon" does make things much easier to find and use.
Dependent list boxes don't work "off the builder" in V5 they need some manual code to make them work.
What would make me chuffed is if Yes said we are going to have one or two service packs per annum and we invite contributions and feedback and we are going to collate the list of bugs and fixes and move to address them and release them in this particular service pack, and demonstrate a more mature approach to product stability and support. The methods for placing a support ticket and issuing a fix has not changed since I started using CCS nearly 7 years ago. There is no easy to find knowledge base with fix numbers.
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saseow
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| Posted: 11/15/2012, 7:59 PM |
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Regarding the AJAX panel stuff:
I can add a panel to a page with existing components and it works just fine. Who knows why some can and some can't. Just CCS strangeness I guess.
The update panel added to a page with existing components did give me a hassle but support replied with the following and it is fine too:
"I managed to reproduce the problem.
It happens because the code block "Include User Scripts" is treated as modified. Namely the link to ajaxpanel.js appears to be missed after adding UpdatePanel. It bring client side error and break the ajax code.
To overcome the problem open the page in HTML mode, select the code block starting from
Include User Scripts
and ending with
End Include User Scripts
Delete this block and regenerate the page using F8 option."
I feel that the biggest improvements in CCS 5 are:
Incorporating Artisteer designs.
It does not crash nearly as much as v4.
I like the ribbon.
The flow of coding and autocomplete seem just a bit more polished than v4
Dependent Listboxes are a hassle but CCTools one works fine so I use that one.
I still use both v4 and v5 as upgrading from v4 to v5 is just not seemless.
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andrewi
Posts: 162
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| Posted: 11/19/2012, 12:47 PM |
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Thanks for your advice on version 5. I probably will upgrade before long. Might just wait for one more update first...
Andrew
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