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ccsminer

Posts: 109
Posted: 12/31/2018, 4:17 PM Quote message

Suggested product review for the CCS team:
https://wappler.io/index

Nice training videos : https://wapplerunwrapped.online/

Happy Holidays and Best of success to everyone for the New Year.

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kirchaj

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Posted: 01/02/2019, 6:02 AM Quote message

I'd like to know your opinion of this new option.........
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ccsminer

Posts: 109
Posted: 01/02/2019, 6:49 PM Quote message

Quote kirchaj:
I'd like to know your opinion of this new option.........

A very advanced, and flexible web application builder - great tutorials - highly suggest giving it a try:
https://www.learnwappler.com/



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MichaelMcDonald

Posts: 638
Posted: 01/03/2019, 12:58 AM Quote message

I went to install but the only Linux V is for debian based distros. So I watched their recommended tutorial on youtube nicely narrated by one of the Beverley Hillbillies :)

In all fairness though it can be said the pace of the responsive industry is such that CCS will be made organically redundant compared to products like this Wappler and others that are hitting the market and looking at CCS now it is a wilting plant. facts are facts.

This product will make development quicker, again, however I think there are some caveats that will always be there regarding understanding logic as it applies to any database application - for example sequence of events functions and translating DB commands into business logic and how Wappler (or anyone) would apply their own terminology.

Further I don't think any application will ever be able to entirely predict statiistical constructs and replace them with a drag and drop function so any claim to no coding required by any application is BS.

Also, just take a look at the css of this forum it's still html4 FFS :)
If that doesn't tell you where this is all going nothing will.

And PHP is now at 7.3 and so "The Death Of The Deprecated Functions" is soundling more like a Dr Who daleks episode than ever.

And that I can write this stuff on an un-moderated forum...

check this out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F39uC9IlI0
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DataDoIT
Posted: 01/03/2019, 6:00 PM Quote message

It's a different animal folks. It's not a back-end code generator for
PHP/.Net/Whatever that will give you granular control over everything
via OOP, Events, Sessions, etc. anywhere remotely close to what
CodeCharge gives you.

It's a pretty front-end for creating UI/UX, not unlike
Themler/Artisteer/Nicepage. It'll drop in the controls or components,
but you still have to code on the backend to actually 'do' anything
beyond just displaying data.

CodeCharge will bind the various events together for you, actually
create backend code for 80% of what you want to do, while still giving
you the absolute detailed control over each and every object you choose
or create (Object Oriented Programming with a Templating Engine).

I've said it once I've said it a thousand times... Just stay the hell
out of the CodeCharge design mode. Do your designing in Wappler or
whatever, but the real magic for an actual web application happens in
the CodeCharge events.

No. I didn't need but about 5 minutes in it to see what it is. It's a
frontend code generator that'll give you bare minimum backend scripting
code. Just like CodeCharge is a backend code generator that'll give you
bare minimum frontend presentation code. Apples vs Oranges. It's good
stuff if you're a designer sucking down your hourly latte's. If you're a
coder, not really helpful.

Finally, not a fan of the having to remotely log in just to get into a
project. A quick pcap shows a whole lot of data streaming from me to the
Dutchmen on the other side of the planet from me just to get started.
What else will get out of the bag? Copyrighted intellectual property
perhaps? Terms and Conditions state they can take your data and cut off
your access to it at any time. Lovely. I'll pass.
ccsminer

Posts: 109
Posted: 01/04/2019, 1:47 PM Quote message

No doubt CCS - overall - provides the greatest degree of flexibility with custom coding, while generating the required common business logic code - front-end (HTML/CSS/JS) can be handled separately from the server-side logic - a big plus.

The hope is that someone from the exceptional CCS development team will consider reviewing Wappler - noting some of it's advantages as well as short comings in rapid web application development.

The forum as a whole is looking forward to a future CCS release - we are all staying optimistic. :-)
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MichaelMcDonald

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Posted: 01/16/2019, 5:27 PM Quote message

A little bit of Jquery knowledge will get you a long way.
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MichaelMcDonald

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Posted: 01/16/2019, 5:28 PM Quote message

A little bit of Jquery knowledge will get you a long way.
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MichaelMcDonald

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Posted: 01/27/2019, 2:55 PM Quote message

Just a thought - the Yii MVC layout may be useful for CCS users to follow in part. It organises related pages into their own folder which saves looking through large lists of files to identify relationships and I found with ccs I would occasionally delete the wrong file by clicking on the one under or above by mistake. For example, with Yii, all usermanager files get put in a folder called - you guessed it 'usermanager', effectively treating everything as part of a mini-application.

You could still keep common services in a services folder, however you could bundle your .html, .php. _events.php and specifically related .js scripts and readme's into a single folder that is easy to find and which structure may make things easier for handover to others to maintain.

For some there may be a little learning involved re: php folder traversal but I reckon you would soon find it is worth it.
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