Karen
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| Posted: 06/25/2003, 6:14 AM |
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I have completed all my projects to date in Codecharge Studio ASP 3.0 but am considering moving to .NET (VB)partly to take advantage of Visual Studio and the free Matrix software.
I have experience with neither of the programs but feel I have to learn this .NET stuff.
I Am interested to hear from users their experience using .NET vs the other languages, whether good or bad.
Also is Codecharges version of .NET substantially differant from Microsofts..or to rephrase the question...would it make sense to use Visual Studio or Matrix in tandem with Codecharge.
I see very little related on .NET ..everyone seeems to use ASP or PHP.. comments from anyone using other languages would be good.
I think COdecharge Studio is awesome..ID just like to learn a little how best to leverage it with other programs
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fred
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| Posted: 06/25/2003, 6:43 AM |
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I'm learning vb.net using web matrix and finding it a very easy and powerful environment to work with. There are also great learning and sample sites available. I use CC 2.0 and wish it supported vb.net, since I am not a C.x programmer. It would be nice to use it to get a site started. But it's not as big of an advantage as it was with straight asp or php development.
Visual Studio .NET is very slow and cumbersome, but a big step up from Interdev. I see its use mainly for large enterprise projects.
I'm not sure CC or CCS are as necessary with these new products and the large library of starter sites available.
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Tom
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| Posted: 06/25/2003, 11:55 AM |
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I'm in the same boat and being driven toward .NET. I'm actually much more proficient in ColdFusion (still my favorite and quickest to generate any code). I'm really struggling with .NET and find my learning curve to be longer than I expected. I used WebMatrix for a little bit but I get more use out of VS.NET 2003. CCS actually generates a .vbproj file that you can point studio to load as a new project and you get a working VS application with all links done properly. I try very hard to stay within CCS's paradigm and use their events to do my coding so I can alway 'regenerate' as requirements change. I feel that by dissecting CCS code and seeing how they put it together, I'm learning more about .NET and how to layout my code than just winging it thru VS or WebMatrix.
I had the same concerns when I was doing some ASP and could easily get spaghetti code unless you impose some self restrictions.
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Karen
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| Posted: 06/26/2003, 8:30 AM |
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Tom
Am I understanding it right that a lot of the CCS .NET code is interchangeable with .NET unlike the ASP spaghetti code.
WOuld that mean you can use CCS with one of the new starter packs for MATRIX or the DOtNETNuke project....(which is awesome btw)
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rclayh
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| Posted: 06/26/2003, 9:07 AM |
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I'm in the middle of a huge project using C#.NET. I originally started in VB but switched because C is actually much easier to use and code - and it's almost like starting over anyway. Here's what I learned in a nutshell..
1) I would not even consider doing a .NET project without CodeCharge Studio. I would just quit. I wouldn't use Matrix, I wouldn't even use Visual Studio or Dreamweaver MX (I have both). .NET has massive amounts of backcoding to be done to do even the simplest tasks. The work load that CodeCharge takes off of you makes .NET viable. Otherwise a scripting language like ASP or PHP is much simpler to program.
2) If you do have CodeCharge Studio - it's actually a blast to use because so much of the underpinnings of security, searching, adding and updating is handled by their code. Learning which CCS events to plug into and what functionality that CCS already has built-in is the key to a successful project. You have to read the help file - have to! Learn early on how to use DLookup for both multiple and single values. Learn where to put your public variables and the syntax for performing operations on controls in the Before Show and Before Show Row event. Learn how to set up a Custom Insert in the properties page on your multi-edit grids. You'll have it made.
3) I would think that using CodeCharge Studio while beginning will give you a leg up on when you do want to kick off the training wheels and do your .NET Apps from scratch. Having the structure and the generated code to look at makes it much easier.
4) You do need a copy of at the least the standard edition of the language (I got the Deluxe Learning Edition of C# at http://www.provantage.com for $51 and it includes the Standard Edition of Visual C#) for the...help file! I run Visual Studio in the background so I can look up the members of a data type, what the methods are etc. It makes it a lot easier.
So to sum it up..
I would pick C# over VB.NET because it's just a simpler language (even though you wouldn't think so) and it seems to work great in CCS. I wouldn't tackle an ASP.NET project with anything BUT CodeCharge Studio
For what it's worth.
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Buck
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| Posted: 06/30/2003, 3:31 AM |
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I love .NET.
COMPILED CODE IS FASTER. plain and simple. faster and safer. noone can see your connection strings... unless they decompile the .DLL files..
**Also very good for us "freelance" developers, my customers can not reuse my code in other projects, or make changes to it without giving me a call:) I have had many PHP applications "stolen or reused" by people.
My favorite flavour is VB. Why?
One, hate squiggly brackets. I like to see the "End" statements. Don't have to count the squigglies to make sure I closed them all correctly.
Two, hate having to remember if I named a variable with an upper case letter.
C# is case sensitive, VB is not so much.. Visual Studio allows you to type VB code freely(all lowercase) and it will automatically change the names to the proper case, which I use to make sure I have typed a variable name correctly, i.e. I always name my variables with at least one capital letter, then when coding I always type in all in lowercase, and if VB changes it to the correct case, then I know I typed it in correctly.
Three, VB completes more code then C#, i.e. you start an If statement or procedure etc.. then VB automatically closes it for you. No need for unneeded keystrokes, i.e. <shift+[> for the squiggly(see reason One).
As far as easy, Vis. Studio is very easy, drag and drop data connections and datagrids similiar to CCS. But I use CCS to do pretty much and database work I need. I am getting more lazy every day, and with CCS, lazy does not hurt. I love the builders and the app wizards. CCS if very thourough, saves me time and energy.
As far as opening the CCS proj file in Visual Studio .Net 2003, I can open, but can not run, get way to many errors which is really odd since CCS compiles on my machine with .NET ver 1.1 and so does Visual Sudio, but it still gives me errors. I am probably just not adding a reference or something. If anyone has any help on that bit, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!
Good Luck to all that get into .NET!! (nomatter what flavour!)
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Brandon
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| Posted: 07/15/2003, 8:52 PM |
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Karen-
Have you successfully integrated Dotnetnuke with codecharge? Did you find an answer to your question
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