DonB
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| Posted: 06/17/2002, 6:38 PM |
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http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=46
I found this very interesting. Is Microsoft on the attack?
don
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Frank S.
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| Posted: 06/17/2002, 6:49 PM |
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Gee, think they'll come out with a PHP version?? ;>\
Frank
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Kelvin Chua
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| Posted: 06/17/2002, 7:01 PM |
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Hi DonB,
Thanks.
Kelvin Chua
SINGAPORE
"DonB" <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=46
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> I found this very interesting. Is Microsoft on the attack?
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DonB
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| Posted: 06/17/2002, 7:03 PM |
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Only if they eventually declare it "a standard" (old joke)
"Frank S." <no_spam_info@auuooh.com> wrote in message
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> Gee, think they'll come out with a PHP version?? ;>\
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Doug Lind
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| Posted: 06/18/2002, 9:04 AM |
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I was tempted to download and check it out tell I saw it was version 0.5nnn.
Why don't they just say "beta"? I still have scars from installing and
trying to update the beta versions of .Net Framework.
"DonB" <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=46
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> I found this very interesting. Is Microsoft on the attack?
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Robert Davis
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| Posted: 06/19/2002, 8:48 AM |
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I downloaded and installed and ran it just fine. This is going to get a LOT
of folks moving along in MS .Net since the Framework and now this IDE are
FREE!
I'm impressed, although CCS it ISN'T. CCS is MUCH MORE than an IDE!
Regards,
radbase@cox-internet.com
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"DonB" <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=46
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> I found this very interesting. Is Microsoft on the attack?
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> don
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Frank Rocco
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| Posted: 06/19/2002, 10:51 AM |
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I had a look at Web Matrix, I believe it doesn't compare to CodeStudio.
Frank
"Robert Davis" <radbase@texas.net> wrote in message
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> I downloaded and installed and ran it just fine. This is going to get a
LOT
> of folks moving along in MS .Net since the Framework and now this IDE are
> FREE!
>
> I'm impressed, although CCS it ISN'T. CCS is MUCH MORE than an IDE!
>
> Regards,
>
> radbase@cox-internet.com
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Let me do you a dotFavor! >>> http://radbase.ehostingbiz.com/webcenter
> The VERY BEST dotNet hosting available anywhere!!!
> If you can beat the features/price/performance and support, I'd sure like
to
> KNOW ABOUT IT!!!
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> "DonB" <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:aem2ug$r67$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=46
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> > I found this very interesting. Is Microsoft on the attack?
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> > don
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DonB
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| Posted: 06/19/2002, 4:10 PM |
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Both of you are right, but what caught my eye was what (to me) seemed to be
more than a passing similarity to the approach to building pages and even
the IDE (of course CCS borrowed heavily from .NET). Even some of the visual
"cues" (such as the "form" marker) are similar.
don
"Frank Rocco" <farocco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I had a look at Web Matrix, I believe it doesn't compare to CodeStudio.
>
> Frank
>
> "Robert Davis" <radbase@texas.net> wrote in message
>news:aeq93v$iqf$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > I downloaded and installed and ran it just fine. This is going to get a
> LOT
> > of folks moving along in MS .Net since the Framework and now this IDE
are
> > FREE!
> >
> > I'm impressed, although CCS it ISN'T. CCS is MUCH MORE than an IDE!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > radbase@cox-internet.com
> >
__________________________________________________________________________
> > Let me do you a dotFavor! >>> http://radbase.ehostingbiz.com/webcenter
> > The VERY BEST dotNet hosting available anywhere!!!
> > If you can beat the features/price/performance and support, I'd sure
like
> to
> > KNOW ABOUT IT!!!
> >
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Dave Rexel
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| Posted: 06/19/2002, 4:37 PM |
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http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/tour/section7/projtemplates.aspx
Did the tutorials and built a a Time-based Expense app in MS Web-Matrix.
Looking the above, will CCS survive?
Greetings,
Dave
"Robert Davis" <radbase@texas.net> wrote in message
news:aeq93v$iqf$1@news.codecharge.com...
> I downloaded and installed and ran it just fine. This is going to get a
LOT
> of folks moving along in MS .Net since the Framework and now this IDE are
> FREE!
>
> I'm impressed, although CCS it ISN'T. CCS is MUCH MORE than an IDE!
>
> Regards,
>
> radbase@cox-internet.com
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Let me do you a dotFavor! >>> http://radbase.ehostingbiz.com/webcenter
> The VERY BEST dotNet hosting available anywhere!!!
> If you can beat the features/price/performance and support, I'd sure like
to
> KNOW ABOUT IT!!!
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> "DonB" <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:aem2ug$r67$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=46
> >
> > I found this very interesting. Is Microsoft on the attack?
> >
> > don
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Robert Davis
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| Posted: 06/20/2002, 7:24 AM |
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Good work, Dave. Really, that's the way software should work. Equally
cool, however, is that I downloaded the CCS beta and without looking at the
help or working any tutorials, I generated a web portal app connected to a
database without coding a line of it. Sure, it was C# and I want it in
VB.Net, but hopefully CodeCharge will add that in at the earliest possible
time. I think both of our experiences illustrate the primary difference
between Web Matrix and CCS; one's an IDE (and a GOOD one) for ASP.Net and
the other's a powerful template based code generator, integrated into an IDE
that, if you've got the template you need, you won't need much hand coding
to get where you're going.
Part of the reason, I personally believe, that Web Matrix was developed and
delivered (FREE) when it was is that Sun is just about to launch their Sun
ONE initiative to woo developers who haven't yet comitted .Net to their
toolkits by giving them hundreds and hundreds of megs of java developer
tools (CD or DVD) for around $19.95 or $49.95 for a year of quarterly
updates. Mind you, the java developer tools are, as I understand it, only a
limited subset of the features of their production level big brothers and
sisters.
It's my guess that you'll hear Sun/Scott McNealy carry on nearly endlessly
about "open standards" (aka "moving targets") and "cross-platform" (unless
your apps need to be truly secure) and "tried and tested" (meaning gigabytes
of code that hasn't been updated since they last got it working and burned
an image to disk).
I think the option of FREE 1.2 meg download of Web Matrix and FREE 21.x meg
download of the .Net Framework, by comparison, is going to be very, very,
VERY hard to compete with!
What would be AWESOME, in my view, would be for CCS to evolve into a
commercial add-in to VS.Net Enterprise Architect that would generate
complete projects within a solution that you'd just do some customization,
and VIOLA, your time-to-market is GREATLY reduced!
Regards,
radbase@cox-internet.com
__________________________________________________________________________
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The VERY BEST dotNet hosting available anywhere!!!
If you can beat the features/price/performance and support, I'd sure like to
KNOW ABOUT IT!!!
__________________________________________________________________________
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"Dave Rexel" <therex_spamenot@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/tour/section7/projtemplates.aspx
>
> Did the tutorials and built a a Time-based Expense app in MS Web-Matrix.
> Looking the above, will CCS survive?
>
> Greetings,
> Dave
>
> "Robert Davis" <radbase@texas.net> wrote in message
>news:aeq93v$iqf$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > I downloaded and installed and ran it just fine. This is going to get a
> LOT
> > of folks moving along in MS .Net since the Framework and now this IDE
are
> > FREE!
> >
> > I'm impressed, although CCS it ISN'T. CCS is MUCH MORE than an IDE!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > radbase@cox-internet.com
> >
__________________________________________________________________________
> > Let me do you a dotFavor! >>> http://radbase.ehostingbiz.com/webcenter
> > The VERY BEST dotNet hosting available anywhere!!!
> > If you can beat the features/price/performance and support, I'd sure
like
> to
> > KNOW ABOUT IT!!!
> >
__________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > "DonB" <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:aem2ug$r67$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > > http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=46
> > >
> > > I found this very interesting. Is Microsoft on the attack?
> > >
> > > don
> > >
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> >
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Dave Rexel
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| Posted: 06/20/2002, 2:47 PM |
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Robert,
Thank you for a well written and informative post.
Lest anyone get the wrong idea I do like CC and CCS enough to have bought
and upgraded as far as I can go in the present YS product-line.
The bottom line is that CCS gets you half the way there and then leaves you
hanging even if you are literate in the particular script-dialect.
Sure most users are satisfied generating portals and forums and not having
to code much but I submit that such functionality is elemental, relatively
easy to hand-code and definitely not reflective of an app that claims to
save time and cost for developers. It's a real world out there and one
that's most often not covered by the few CCS solutions in current release.
What professional developers should be able to do is code and tweak in-house
CCS Wizards, Builders, Solutions, Actions and then use and re-use them on
different projects, our team has adopted a similar strategy with UD plug-in
infrastructure with reasonable success to date.
Greetings
Dave
"Robert Davis" <radbase@texas.net> wrote in message
news:aesojq$191$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Good work, Dave. Really, that's the way software should work. Equally
> cool, however, is that I downloaded the CCS beta and without looking at
the
> help or working any tutorials, I generated a web portal app connected to a
> database without coding a line of it. Sure, it was C# and I want it in
> VB.Net, but hopefully CodeCharge will add that in at the earliest possible
> time. I think both of our experiences illustrate the primary difference
> between Web Matrix and CCS; one's an IDE (and a GOOD one) for ASP.Net and
> the other's a powerful template based code generator, integrated into an
IDE
> that, if you've got the template you need, you won't need much hand coding
> to get where you're going.
>
> Part of the reason, I personally believe, that Web Matrix was developed
and
> delivered (FREE) when it was is that Sun is just about to launch their Sun
> ONE initiative to woo developers who haven't yet comitted .Net to their
> toolkits by giving them hundreds and hundreds of megs of java developer
> tools (CD or DVD) for around $19.95 or $49.95 for a year of quarterly
> updates. Mind you, the java developer tools are, as I understand it, only
a
> limited subset of the features of their production level big brothers and
> sisters.
>
> It's my guess that you'll hear Sun/Scott McNealy carry on nearly endlessly
> about "open standards" (aka "moving targets") and "cross-platform" (unless
> your apps need to be truly secure) and "tried and tested" (meaning
gigabytes
> of code that hasn't been updated since they last got it working and burned
> an image to disk).
>
> I think the option of FREE 1.2 meg download of Web Matrix and FREE 21.x
meg
> download of the .Net Framework, by comparison, is going to be very, very,
> VERY hard to compete with!
>
> What would be AWESOME, in my view, would be for CCS to evolve into a
> commercial add-in to VS.Net Enterprise Architect that would generate
> complete projects within a solution that you'd just do some customization,
> and VIOLA, your time-to-market is GREATLY reduced!
>
> Regards,
>
> radbase@cox-internet.com
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Let me do you a dotFavor! >>> http://radbase.ehostingbiz.com/webcenter
> The VERY BEST dotNet hosting available anywhere!!!
> If you can beat the features/price/performance and support, I'd sure like
to
> KNOW ABOUT IT!!!
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> .
> .
> .
>
>
> "Dave Rexel" <therex_spamenot@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:aer4is$5gg$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/tour/section7/projtemplates.aspx
> >
> > Did the tutorials and built a a Time-based Expense app in MS Web-Matrix.
> > Looking the above, will CCS survive?
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Dave
> >
> > "Robert Davis" <radbase@texas.net> wrote in message
> >news:aeq93v$iqf$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > > I downloaded and installed and ran it just fine. This is going to get
a
> > LOT
> > > of folks moving along in MS .Net since the Framework and now this IDE
> are
> > > FREE!
> > >
> > > I'm impressed, although CCS it ISN'T. CCS is MUCH MORE than an IDE!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > radbase@cox-internet.com
> > >
> __________________________________________________________________________
> > > Let me do you a dotFavor! >>>
http://radbase.ehostingbiz.com/webcenter
> > > The VERY BEST dotNet hosting available anywhere!!!
> > > If you can beat the features/price/performance and support, I'd sure
> like
> > to
> > > KNOW ABOUT IT!!!
> > >
> __________________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "DonB" <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > >news:aem2ug$r67$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > > > http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=46
> > > >
> > > > I found this very interesting. Is Microsoft on the attack?
> > > >
> > > > don
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Robert et al,
The power is in the components. Whoever is first with a great
component toolkit will rule web development. The components have to be
plugable so the developer just drops it onto his form and it works
without doing any coding. The intelligence is in the component not the
application. The developer scrounges for the components that he is
interested in and builds his own toolbox of components, like a
calendar component, qbe, reports, etc.. He plops them on his form and
it works. It saves the developer a lot of time and an entire industry
could be formed with programmers writing just components for web
development. Something like what Active-X components did for VB but
these components will be for PHP, ASP, JSP pages.
So the IDE is pretty much a moot point. The company with the best
components will win hands down because it will accelerate development
for the developer. The problem with M$ is their's is a proprietary
system. Someone has to come up with an open source component toolkit
for PHP, JSP and ASP developers otherwise developers may gravitate to
M$. Ideally the developer has to put some building blocks (components)
together and they've got an application. CCS helps us to build the
skeleton of the application, but it still lacks the intelligent
component acrhitecture that programmers can build on. Hopefully YS
will see this and create their own extensible toolkit that other
programmers can modify and add on to.
Anyways, that's my 2 cents worth. :)
Brent
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