Frank Rocco
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| Posted: 09/05/2002, 4:28 AM |
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Hello,
What do you think is a more stable combo?
1. PHP/Apache
2. PHP/Apache 2
3. JSP/Tomcat 4
4. .NET/IIS5
Thanks for the feedback
Frank
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Kelvin Chua
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| Posted: 09/05/2002, 4:30 AM |
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..NET/IIS6
Tested and quite convinced.
Thanks.
Kelvin Chua
SINGAPORE
"Frank Rocco" <farocco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> What do you think is a more stable combo?
>
> 1. PHP/Apache
> 2. PHP/Apache 2
> 3. JSP/Tomcat 4
> 4. .NET/IIS5
>
> Thanks for the feedback
>
> Frank
>
>
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Frank Rocco
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| Posted: 09/05/2002, 5:01 AM |
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Hay Kelvin,
I did not know IIS6 was available. Do you have the link?
Thanks
Frank
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Kelvin Chua
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| Posted: 09/05/2002, 5:08 AM |
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Hi Frank,
I tested the Beta 3 .NET Server, it is based on IIS6. It will be released
early next year..
If I am not wrong, WIN2K uses IIS5, WIN XP Pro uses IIS5.1, and the .NET
Servers with IIS6.
I tested it for months, very robust! It is going to change many people's
view that MicroSoft
servers are not as stable as apache.
Thanks.
Kelvin Chua
SINGAPORE
"Frank Rocco" <farocco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hay Kelvin,
> I did not know IIS6 was available. Do you have the link?
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
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Kelvin Chua
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| Posted: 09/05/2002, 5:13 AM |
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http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?u...chnet/prodtechn
ol/iis/evaluate/iis6ovw.asp
"Kelvin Chua" <NOkelvinSPAM@accpro.com.sg> wrote in message
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> Hi Frank,
>
> I tested the Beta 3 .NET Server, it is based on IIS6. It will be released
> early next year..
>
> If I am not wrong, WIN2K uses IIS5, WIN XP Pro uses IIS5.1, and the .NET
> Servers with IIS6.
>
> I tested it for months, very robust! It is going to change many people's
> view that MicroSoft
> servers are not as stable as apache.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kelvin Chua
> SINGAPORE
>
> "Frank Rocco" <farocco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:al7h2a$s4l$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > Hay Kelvin,
> > I did not know IIS6 was available. Do you have the link?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
>
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Frank Rocco
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| Posted: 09/05/2002, 6:01 AM |
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Thanks,
From your post, it looks like your sold on .NET.<g>
I'm wondering if PHP is better because it runs on IIS or Apache.
I must admit, I do not have much .NET experience yet.
I have been looking for a content management system, and there are plenty of
open source ones in PHP, but i have yet to find one in ASP or .NET
Frank
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Keith
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| Posted: 09/05/2002, 8:31 AM |
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Hi Frank,
Just looked at this one today.
http://www.web500.com
Keith
"Frank Rocco" <farocco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks,
>
> From your post, it looks like your sold on .NET.<g>
>
> I'm wondering if PHP is better because it runs on IIS or Apache.
> I must admit, I do not have much .NET experience yet.
> I have been looking for a content management system, and there are plenty
of
> open source ones in PHP, but i have yet to find one in ASP or .NET
>
> Frank
>
>
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Shawn Mason
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| Posted: 09/05/2002, 9:05 AM |
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To "Microsoft" or "Not to Microsoft"...that is the question. Honestly,
Frank there are valid arguements on either side and most are correct. It
really depends on your market and many other factors. I personally have
been very successful in following the Emperor (that would be Mr. Gates), not
because I am a fanatic and can't see outside the box but because when it
comes to marketing, MS knows how to (regardless of the lawsuits and suspect
methods he uses/has used...he is successful). You don't become the world's
richest man by mistake or by accident of being in the right place at the
right time.
But, even in light of that, I have given very serious thought to the
PHP,Apache,"some open source" Sql paradigm. Why? Well, because it works
and works well. It is solid and even better, it is free. So, it would
allow me to develop a system for a client (I own a custom software
development company) and save them the cost of the Server OS and the Sql
engine (or bring them to a minimal cost). But, I can't save them the cost
of the boxes (unless they want to host it with a company...but most of my
clients house their stuff internally because it needs to tie into their
data). But, as I look at what I'm saving them ($800 for the OS (times 2...1
for IIS and 1 for Sql Server, and a few thousand for the Sql engine), in the
scheme of the entire project that is not a lot. But, for a company that
can't or won't spend a lot $4000-$5000 is a lot. Then I have to ask two
questions 1) Do they have the staff to maintain 2 Linus boxes (most
companies only have MS staff...or at least the ones I deal with)? 2) Do I
want to do a project for a company that is "hell-bent" on being cheap (not
that the open source is cheap in quality...so please no flames)?
So with these thoughts, and more...I have come to this conclusion: I don't
know. (wonderful, eh?).
There are many, many more arguements and most are legitimate. So, I lean
towards MS mainly because of my past experience and my skill set, but I
highly desire to use the open source methods as well.
Well, enough rambling....
--
Kindest Regards,
Shawn Mason,CCD,MCP
I.S. Software Design Associates
"Frank Rocco" <farocco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks,
>
> From your post, it looks like your sold on .NET.<g>
>
> I'm wondering if PHP is better because it runs on IIS or Apache.
> I must admit, I do not have much .NET experience yet.
> I have been looking for a content management system, and there are plenty
of
> open source ones in PHP, but i have yet to find one in ASP or .NET
>
> Frank
>
>
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Jeff Stuart
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| Posted: 09/05/2002, 11:30 AM |
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Hi Frank, I do all my work with PHP/Apache. Note: PHP/Apache 2 isn't "ready
for production" until PHP 4.3.
You don't get a market share of 63.5% of all webservers and 66.6% of active
websites out there by accident. (IE: http://www.netcraft.com/survey/).
Frank Rocco wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What do you think is a more stable combo?
>
> 1. PHP/Apache
> 2. PHP/Apache 2
> 3. JSP/Tomcat 4
> 4. .NET/IIS5
>
> Thanks for the feedback
>
> Frank
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Frank Rocco
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| Posted: 09/05/2002, 11:54 AM |
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>>Note: PHP/Apache 2 isn't "ready <<
Ah... that explains why I had so much trouble with Apache2. I reverted to
PHP 4.2 and Apache and all was well.
Thanks
Frank
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Dave Rexel
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| Posted: 09/15/2002, 8:08 AM |
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Hi Shawn
Why choose? Knowledge accquired in one field can only benefit your progress
in others. PHP will run on your M$ box on IIS for research and learning
without disturbing your ASP efforts/creations. MySQL as well. Learning
Oracle will expose you to higher consultancy fees, as will any Mac chops,
the list is endless as are the benefits. Using a polyglot tool like CCS
helps immensely.
However I must disagree with your anyalysis and solutions for the
cash-strapped business wishing to get a database driven option. Having being
dragged by my concience (kicking and screaming) innumerable times into
helping organisations who cannot budget for high IT costs I have found open
source to be the ideal solution, your conclusion is right, you don't know. I
will briefly describe a solution which is cheap and easy to upkeep.
My initial effort is to analyse the data usage on the customers premises
then port the logic to subsets of PHP webapps that I have built over the
years.
Conversion and secure backup of data is next, setup and configuration of the
the server environments below is a prerequisite and that the bare boxes must
be up and running before my visit can occur, I set the machines using their
licence but with my CDs of updates/drivers, this phase runs concurrently
with step one.
An afternoon session with the local IT-guy is often enough to get him upto
speed with
1-upkeep of a w2K, IIS, PHP, MySQL dedicated intranet box
(any reasonably new PC is overkill for this task)
With just the OS and two other components to
keep patching the IT-guy is not overworked
2-pruning and updating data on a web-host
Face it web-space is extremely cheap
PHP-MySQL combos more so
3-learning and experimenting on a
dedicated lab-server
built on older box
this can be skipped if the IT-guy
is not receptive
Publishing and fine tuning with the decision makers present comes last after
they've fed me with local specialities, my price is that I decide the agenda
for this day, have the last say on the technical side of things and that
the real decision makers are present for the final. I do try to keep
deployment-time of such projects to exactly one day. You get pretty good at
working fast and effectively this way, think of it as a workout before the
title match.
The solutions above have helped many organisations whose main purpose is to
help people without financial gain.
The experience gained helps me gain ever higher consultancy fees with
commercial projects, which does not compensate for the growing scarceness of
the really fat assignments. So I do CG related stuff to keep my creditors
happy. Sorry for rambling on...
Greetings
Dave
"Shawn Mason" <shawn@issda.com> wrote in message
news:al7vbd$olo$1@news.codecharge.com...
> To "Microsoft" or "Not to Microsoft"...that is the question. Honestly,
> Frank there are valid arguements on either side and most are correct. It
> really depends on your market and many other factors. I personally have
> been very successful in following the Emperor (that would be Mr. Gates),
not
> because I am a fanatic and can't see outside the box but because when it
> comes to marketing, MS knows how to (regardless of the lawsuits and
suspect
> methods he uses/has used...he is successful). You don't become the
world's
> richest man by mistake or by accident of being in the right place at the
> right time.
>
> But, even in light of that, I have given very serious thought to the
> PHP,Apache,"some open source" Sql paradigm. Why? Well, because it works
> and works well. It is solid and even better, it is free. So, it would
> allow me to develop a system for a client (I own a custom software
> development company) and save them the cost of the Server OS and the Sql
> engine (or bring them to a minimal cost). But, I can't save them the cost
> of the boxes (unless they want to host it with a company...but most of my
> clients house their stuff internally because it needs to tie into their
> data). But, as I look at what I'm saving them ($800 for the OS (times
2...1
> for IIS and 1 for Sql Server, and a few thousand for the Sql engine), in
the
> scheme of the entire project that is not a lot. But, for a company that
> can't or won't spend a lot $4000-$5000 is a lot. Then I have to ask two
> questions 1) Do they have the staff to maintain 2 Linus boxes (most
> companies only have MS staff...or at least the ones I deal with)? 2) Do I
> want to do a project for a company that is "hell-bent" on being cheap (not
> that the open source is cheap in quality...so please no flames)?
>
> So with these thoughts, and more...I have come to this conclusion: I
don't
> know. (wonderful, eh?).
>
> There are many, many more arguements and most are legitimate. So, I lean
> towards MS mainly because of my past experience and my skill set, but I
> highly desire to use the open source methods as well.
>
> Well, enough rambling....
>
> --
> Kindest Regards,
>
> Shawn Mason,CCD,MCP
> I.S. Software Design Associates
>
>
> "Frank Rocco" <farocco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:al7kjk$3dq$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > Thanks,
> >
> > From your post, it looks like your sold on .NET.<g>
> >
> > I'm wondering if PHP is better because it runs on IIS or Apache.
> > I must admit, I do not have much .NET experience yet.
> > I have been looking for a content management system, and there are
plenty
> of
> > open source ones in PHP, but i have yet to find one in ASP or .NET
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
>
>
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