Artzyjon
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| Posted: 10/17/2002, 8:20 PM |
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Hello Folks,
In your opinion is the CCS software worth the learning curve? I am still
debating on whether I should purchase this
software. It almost seem as though the software creates as many problems as
it solves by reading this list. According
to the web site info it seems as though using this software can save a lot
of valuable time, but I just don't know if I shouldn't
just hand code my own PHP scripts for use with MYSQL. I would appreciate any
thoughts on this matter.
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Lee Irving
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| Posted: 10/18/2002, 2:40 AM |
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Even with the bad documentation and frustrating learning curve I think that
CCS is a great product and helps remove alot of the grunt work when building
applications.
"Artzyjon" <jonreb@bright.net> wrote in message
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> Hello Folks,
>
> In your opinion is the CCS software worth the learning curve? I am still
> debating on whether I should purchase this
> software. It almost seem as though the software creates as many problems
as
> it solves by reading this list. According
> to the web site info it seems as though using this software can save a lot
> of valuable time, but I just don't know if I shouldn't
> just hand code my own PHP scripts for use with MYSQL. I would appreciate
any
> thoughts on this matter.
>
>
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Stan Jacox
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| Posted: 10/18/2002, 9:59 AM |
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"Artzyjon" <jonreb@bright.net> wrote in message
news:aonuma$237$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Hello Folks,
>
> In your opinion is the CCS software worth the learning curve? I am still
> debating on whether I should purchase this
> software. It almost seem as though the software creates as many problems
as
> it solves by reading this list.
If you value your time as much as I do, it is a no brainer. Even if I could
produce bug free code by hand,( for me, doubtful,) I would spend 9-20 times
longer developing an ASP site using SQL Server or Access, the language and
databases I use. Due to the strength of the generated code, I can spend my
time on the design and the user interface of the web applications.
Recently, despite being a beginner, I finished a web application for a
private network that handles all the repair services for repair shops in 14
countries for a German electronics manufacture. I did it as a favor to the
company because the previous manual system was time consuming, inaccurate,
and delayed our payments a month. The new on line system saves my office 40
hours a week in reduced paperwork, and speeds payment by 3 weeks. The 200
pages and dozens of reports, forms and 43 tables went together with amazing
speed. It works. The feedback I get concern such minor issues as "I think
you ought use a different font for that form" or "I don't like white as a
background color" instead of "I get garbage when searching", "my data is
corrupted", "the date format doesn't display right", or anything.
Originally, I built a similar application using CC but when I got CCS, the
differences and capabilities were so different that I used little of the old
application to create a new one with much greater versatility and more
polished appearance. I used DWMX to edit the HTML but CCS for the entire
backend. After learning CC, CCS took a while to learn to get the most out
of it. It can do a great deal more than the tutorials indicate that
everyday I discovered something really cool about it. Once you think about
the project in the CCS mode, it all becomes logical and easy. I think that
doing a number of small projects previously in CC actually slowed down my
learning curve because the two are quite different. For really simple
needs, I still use CC.
Last night, a friend came over to ask questions whether he could use the web
to distribute construction update data to his customers. He builds custom
homes. He wastes too much time updating clients about permit status, phase
status and material issues and thought a web site could display the
information whenever the client was curious to know instead of calling him
at all hours. By midnight, and a bottle of wine, we had a working site on
my development server that allowed him to upload all sorts of data via
on-line forms and issue passwords to clients for viewing. We went overboard
by tying it into the county on-line database for permits, added lots of
useful features that was only limited by our imagination. I could never
have done that without CCS, regardless of the time taken. I noticed this
morning, that he has already uploaded data for 4 projects. From concept to
roll out, 6 hours....not bad. Just think of what a knowledgeable coder
could do.
Stan
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Shawn Mason
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| Posted: 10/18/2002, 11:58 AM |
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Every penny of it.
--
Kindest Regards,
Shawn Mason,CCD,MCP
I.S. Software Design Associates
"Artzyjon" <jonreb@bright.net> wrote in message
news:aonuma$237$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Hello Folks,
>
> In your opinion is the CCS software worth the learning curve? I am still
> debating on whether I should purchase this
> software. It almost seem as though the software creates as many problems
as
> it solves by reading this list. According
> to the web site info it seems as though using this software can save a lot
> of valuable time, but I just don't know if I shouldn't
> just hand code my own PHP scripts for use with MYSQL. I would appreciate
any
> thoughts on this matter.
>
>
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Imran
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| Posted: 10/18/2002, 12:52 PM |
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As with any discussion list, its purpose is to flesh out individual
problems. If you really examine the posts on this list thoroughly, most of
them aren't issues with the software; it has to do with the coder's level of
knowledge working with databases, or ASP, or PHP, or whatever.
This tool has allowed me to do so much, I could never go back to the way I
used to do things, whether it was with Visual Studio, or Dreamweaver
UltraDev, or hell, even notepad.
Nothing compares. But only expect to save time with the Studio product if
you actually know the language you are going to be working with. If you are
a beginner, go for the regular CodeCharge. It is less flexible but it
doesn't require you to be a very good programmer to use it.
Imranz.
"Artzyjon" <jonreb@bright.net> wrote in message
news:aonuma$237$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Hello Folks,
>
> In your opinion is the CCS software worth the learning curve? I am still
> debating on whether I should purchase this
> software. It almost seem as though the software creates as many problems
as
> it solves by reading this list. According
> to the web site info it seems as though using this software can save a lot
> of valuable time, but I just don't know if I shouldn't
> just hand code my own PHP scripts for use with MYSQL. I would appreciate
any
> thoughts on this matter.
>
>
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