Clarion
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| Posted: 11/16/2002, 9:50 AM |
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I haven't done anything with CC. Several of the guys I share with on
another NG mentioned I should look into CC or the CC Studio.
I've got a couple of projects, that require community type websites.
They need to include Photogallery, forums, news articles/submission, etc,
downloads, linking, new syndication, stuff that is pretty general with PHP
type Nuke sites. I'd prefer server side programming and platform, just
because I do work for others. Using Client side programming...I only see
support and maintenance issues.
I've been working with PHP and the Xoops(Object Oriented PHP), but to be
honest the processes are too cumbersome. OpenSource is fine, but docs are
lousy. The developers try to help, but most feel they've done enough just
sharing their code. You have this huge inter-dependency for information,
which could probably be solved easily with a couple hundred pages of good
docs.
I've spent over a month on these projects, and I've got up some sites on my
server. Sites I'm not too excited about. They look good and use the MySql
db. I'm concerned about releasing them for support and maintenance
issues...nightmare problems.
I'd appreciate some honest appraisals of CC, and maybe some input of a good
or bad nature. I can re-code these projects I'm workiing on, but I don't
have a lot of time to go through a steep learning process and get them out
on time.
Let me hear it, honest and to the point. I'll also run down some hyper
links if you give'em. I've got this weekend to try to get something in
concrete, if you know what I mean.
Thanks
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Shawn Mason
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| Posted: 11/16/2002, 2:00 PM |
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Since I see you're coming from Clarion <g>, then I can help a lot. I
recommend CCS if you haven't ventured into the CodeCharge realm yet. Give
it a couple weeks worth of frustration and when it finally clicks, you'll
love it.
--
Kindest Regards,
Shawn Mason,CCD,MCP
I.S. Software Design Associates
"Clarion" <len@lenbiz.com> wrote in message
news:ar60hc$tgs$1@news.codecharge.com...
> I haven't done anything with CC. Several of the guys I share with on
> another NG mentioned I should look into CC or the CC Studio.
>
> I've got a couple of projects, that require community type websites.
>
> They need to include Photogallery, forums, news articles/submission, etc,
> downloads, linking, new syndication, stuff that is pretty general with PHP
> type Nuke sites. I'd prefer server side programming and platform, just
> because I do work for others. Using Client side programming...I only see
> support and maintenance issues.
>
> I've been working with PHP and the Xoops(Object Oriented PHP), but to be
> honest the processes are too cumbersome. OpenSource is fine, but docs are
> lousy. The developers try to help, but most feel they've done enough just
> sharing their code. You have this huge inter-dependency for information,
> which could probably be solved easily with a couple hundred pages of good
> docs.
>
> I've spent over a month on these projects, and I've got up some sites on
my
> server. Sites I'm not too excited about. They look good and use the
MySql
> db. I'm concerned about releasing them for support and maintenance
> issues...nightmare problems.
>
> I'd appreciate some honest appraisals of CC, and maybe some input of a
good
> or bad nature. I can re-code these projects I'm workiing on, but I don't
> have a lot of time to go through a steep learning process and get them out
> on time.
>
> Let me hear it, honest and to the point. I'll also run down some hyper
> links if you give'em. I've got this weekend to try to get something in
> concrete, if you know what I mean.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
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Len
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| Posted: 11/16/2002, 2:22 PM |
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Thank you for your response.
I've been programming clarion since dos. I' still doing C55 for
prioprietary & custom apps for clients. I've been reluctant to take on
websites, because everything was strange. Open source viewing just ran a
flag up for me. My client would be telling me how to code and letting their
brother-in-law onto the site for maintenance. Then I get the midnight call,
and have to spend a week cleaning up the mess to the detriment of all my
other cliernts.
I've become acquainted with the server side ASP and PHP. I've got two
projects underway currently in PHP.
You know the story...the learning threshold can be tough enough, and when I
think about the junk I've learned and it's worhless now... Clipper, Foxpro,
dbase IV, Fortran, etc. I just had hoped to find something worthwhile to
start and go with now. I've received a zillion recommendations for the
Dreamweaver MX, but frankly I kinda figured it was because there are so many
recent college grads who took computer science...and they were taught with
Dreamweaver.
I very much appreciate your response. I will not even mess with the
CodeCharger, I'll start right in with the studio version.
"Shawn Mason" <shawn@issda.com> wrote in message
news:ar6f6j$m92$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Since I see you're coming from Clarion <g>, then I can help a lot. I
> recommend CCS if you haven't ventured into the CodeCharge realm yet. Give
> it a couple weeks worth of frustration and when it finally clicks, you'll
> love it.
>
> --
> Kindest Regards,
>
> Shawn Mason,CCD,MCP
> I.S. Software Design Associates
>
> "Clarion" <len@lenbiz.com> wrote in message
>news:ar60hc$tgs$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > I haven't done anything with CC. Several of the guys I share with on
> > another NG mentioned I should look into CC or the CC Studio.
> >
> > I've got a couple of projects, that require community type websites.
> >
> > They need to include Photogallery, forums, news articles/submission,
etc,
> > downloads, linking, new syndication, stuff that is pretty general with
PHP
> > type Nuke sites. I'd prefer server side programming and platform, just
> > because I do work for others. Using Client side programming...I only see
> > support and maintenance issues.
> >
> > I've been working with PHP and the Xoops(Object Oriented PHP), but to be
> > honest the processes are too cumbersome. OpenSource is fine, but docs
are
> > lousy. The developers try to help, but most feel they've done enough
just
> > sharing their code. You have this huge inter-dependency for
information,
> > which could probably be solved easily with a couple hundred pages of
good
> > docs.
> >
> > I've spent over a month on these projects, and I've got up some sites on
> my
> > server. Sites I'm not too excited about. They look good and use the
> MySql
> > db. I'm concerned about releasing them for support and maintenance
> > issues...nightmare problems.
> >
> > I'd appreciate some honest appraisals of CC, and maybe some input of a
> good
> > or bad nature. I can re-code these projects I'm workiing on, but I don't
> > have a lot of time to go through a steep learning process and get them
out
> > on time.
> >
> > Let me hear it, honest and to the point. I'll also run down some hyper
> > links if you give'em. I've got this weekend to try to get something in
> > concrete, if you know what I mean.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Shawn Mason
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| Posted: 11/16/2002, 5:39 PM |
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DreamWeaver is a great product but much harder to produce db driven sites
then CCS. I do use it for layouts, etc. since the tools in it are far
superior to CCS. But, for db pages, it's hard to beat CCS.
--
Kindest Regards,
Shawn Mason,CCD,MCP
I.S. Software Design Associates
"Len" <len@lenbiz.com> wrote in message
news:ar6gf5$ohk$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Thank you for your response.
>
> I've been programming clarion since dos. I' still doing C55 for
> prioprietary & custom apps for clients. I've been reluctant to take on
> websites, because everything was strange. Open source viewing just ran a
> flag up for me. My client would be telling me how to code and letting
their
> brother-in-law onto the site for maintenance. Then I get the midnight
call,
> and have to spend a week cleaning up the mess to the detriment of all my
> other cliernts.
>
> I've become acquainted with the server side ASP and PHP. I've got two
> projects underway currently in PHP.
>
> You know the story...the learning threshold can be tough enough, and when
I
> think about the junk I've learned and it's worhless now... Clipper,
Foxpro,
> dbase IV, Fortran, etc. I just had hoped to find something worthwhile to
> start and go with now. I've received a zillion recommendations for the
> Dreamweaver MX, but frankly I kinda figured it was because there are so
many
> recent college grads who took computer science...and they were taught with
> Dreamweaver.
>
> I very much appreciate your response. I will not even mess with the
> CodeCharger, I'll start right in with the studio version.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Shawn Mason" <shawn@issda.com> wrote in message
>news:ar6f6j$m92$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > Since I see you're coming from Clarion <g>, then I can help a lot. I
> > recommend CCS if you haven't ventured into the CodeCharge realm yet.
Give
> > it a couple weeks worth of frustration and when it finally clicks,
you'll
> > love it.
> >
> > --
> > Kindest Regards,
> >
> > Shawn Mason,CCD,MCP
> > I.S. Software Design Associates
> >
> > "Clarion" <len@lenbiz.com> wrote in message
> >news:ar60hc$tgs$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > > I haven't done anything with CC. Several of the guys I share with on
> > > another NG mentioned I should look into CC or the CC Studio.
> > >
> > > I've got a couple of projects, that require community type websites.
> > >
> > > They need to include Photogallery, forums, news articles/submission,
> etc,
> > > downloads, linking, new syndication, stuff that is pretty general with
> PHP
> > > type Nuke sites. I'd prefer server side programming and platform,
just
> > > because I do work for others. Using Client side programming...I only
see
> > > support and maintenance issues.
> > >
> > > I've been working with PHP and the Xoops(Object Oriented PHP), but to
be
> > > honest the processes are too cumbersome. OpenSource is fine, but docs
> are
> > > lousy. The developers try to help, but most feel they've done enough
> just
> > > sharing their code. You have this huge inter-dependency for
> information,
> > > which could probably be solved easily with a couple hundred pages of
> good
> > > docs.
> > >
> > > I've spent over a month on these projects, and I've got up some sites
on
> > my
> > > server. Sites I'm not too excited about. They look good and use the
> > MySql
> > > db. I'm concerned about releasing them for support and maintenance
> > > issues...nightmare problems.
> > >
> > > I'd appreciate some honest appraisals of CC, and maybe some input of a
> > good
> > > or bad nature. I can re-code these projects I'm workiing on, but I
don't
> > > have a lot of time to go through a steep learning process and get them
> out
> > > on time.
> > >
> > > Let me hear it, honest and to the point. I'll also run down some
hyper
> > > links if you give'em. I've got this weekend to try to get something
in
> > > concrete, if you know what I mean.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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