Kevin
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| Posted: 04/07/2003, 2:27 PM |
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I ask to run the beta version of the software on another box other then my
production workstation, I ended up re-building several projects costing me 8
hrs and several upset customers. I still am finding upgrade issues to 2.0
(2.056 don't ask).
Response from CCS: ------------
"Please note that you are not allowed to use CCS on different machines at
the same time. This violates license agreement. You can have only 1
activated copy.
That's why activation limit is set. If you install beta version on a clean
machine just for testing, don't activate it, use it in trial mode, it has
all the functionality. If it appears stable enough install it on your
production machine.
I understand you have now CCS activated on a production machine. If you
decide to install beta version for production, you will be able to.
Best regards,
Chris "
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While I understand your anti-customer stand I don't agree with it, I can
only run one copy of your software, granted, but to force me to purchase a
second copy of your software for my portable computer which I use to market
"CodeCharge Studio Technology" and test CCS is beyond understanding.
I'm showing the potential customers why they should use my services to
create a new web info-structure that allows for rapid change using tools
like CCS, I walk away with a contract to create the site and train in-house
personal on using CCS which of course means YesSoftware sells another copy
of CCS. YesSoftware's paranoid restrictions offends me, what you are saying
with your policy is simply that you believe everyone is a thief. Microsoft,
Oracle, ERStudio, Autocad, Macromedia, and many others understand the
promotion of their product means the customer must be able to show his wares
to others and the means to do that is by allowing their customers to install
the product on their portable computers.
If YesSoftware spent more time fixing product software problems and less
time victimizing customers everyone would be better off, the customers would
have a working tool to get a job done and YesSoftware would have loyal
customers that promote the tools.
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Jeff Stuart
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| Posted: 04/16/2003, 10:31 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:27:45 -0600 "Kevin" <kangus@acats.com> wrote:
> While I understand your anti-customer stand I don't agree with it, I can
> only run one copy of your software, granted, but to force me to purchase a
> second copy of your software for my portable computer which I use to market
> "CodeCharge Studio Technology" and test CCS is beyond understanding.
Kevin, you're completely off base here... In other words, what you want to do is buy your software once and then INSTALL it on as many computers as you wish. Microsoft doesn't let you do that, nor does Oracle, ERStudio, Autocad, or Macromedia. (Even if you technically can install em, that does NOT mean that you are LEGALLY allowed to do that!) Ask Microsoft sometime if you can go out and install say one licensed copy of Visual Studio .Net Enterprise on your workstation and your laptop. IF I remember correctly, the Eula says NO.
> I'm showing the potential customers why they should use my services to
> create a new web info-structure that allows for rapid change using tools
> like CCS, I walk away with a contract to create the site and train in-house
> personal on using CCS which of course means YesSoftware sells another copy
> of CCS. YesSoftware's paranoid restrictions offends me, what you are saying
> with your policy is simply that you believe everyone is a thief. Microsoft,
> Oracle, ERStudio, Autocad, Macromedia, and many others understand the
> promotion of their product means the customer must be able to show his wares
> to others and the means to do that is by allowing their customers to install
> the product on their portable computers.
So make your laptop your development machine! *DUH* How difficult is that... Turn your workstation into your file server then. Store your active projects on the file server and access em via your LAN.
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Shawn Mason
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| Posted: 04/16/2003, 1:23 PM |
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Uh, well actually if the desktop is used by you 80% of the time and you have
a laptop too, then MS EULA allows you to install a copy of both as long as
you are sure that only 1 copy will be used at a time. This is true of
Office and many, many other MS products including VS. I would also think
that Yes Software has this same stance since it is common throughout the
software industry.
Did I miss something here?
--
Kindest Regards,
Shawn Mason,CCD,MCP
I.S. Software Design Associates
"Jeff Stuart" <jstuart@computer-city.net> wrote in message
news:20030416133122.12af984f.jstuart@computer-city.net...
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:27:45 -0600 "Kevin" <kangus@acats.com> wrote:
> > While I understand your anti-customer stand I don't agree with it, I can
> > only run one copy of your software, granted, but to force me to purchase
a
> > second copy of your software for my portable computer which I use to
market
> > "CodeCharge Studio Technology" and test CCS is beyond understanding.
>
> Kevin, you're completely off base here... In other words, what you want to
do is buy your software once and then INSTALL it on as many computers as you
wish. Microsoft doesn't let you do that, nor does Oracle, ERStudio,
Autocad, or Macromedia. (Even if you technically can install em, that does
NOT mean that you are LEGALLY allowed to do that!) Ask Microsoft sometime
if you can go out and install say one licensed copy of Visual Studio .Net
Enterprise on your workstation and your laptop. IF I remember correctly,
the Eula says NO.
>
> > I'm showing the potential customers why they should use my services to
> > create a new web info-structure that allows for rapid change using tools
> > like CCS, I walk away with a contract to create the site and train
in-house
> > personal on using CCS which of course means YesSoftware sells another
copy
> > of CCS. YesSoftware's paranoid restrictions offends me, what you are
saying
> > with your policy is simply that you believe everyone is a thief.
Microsoft,
> > Oracle, ERStudio, Autocad, Macromedia, and many others understand the
> > promotion of their product means the customer must be able to show his
wares
> > to others and the means to do that is by allowing their customers to
install
> > the product on their portable computers.
>
> So make your laptop your development machine! *DUH* How difficult is
that... Turn your workstation into your file server then. Store your active
projects on the file server and access em via your LAN.
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DonB
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| Posted: 04/16/2003, 1:58 PM |
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I swear V1.0 allowed the laptop-and-desktop single user installation (ala
the MS EULA).
Is my memory faulty - Err, don't answer that - Is that the way the V1.0
license read?
DonB
"Shawn Mason" <shawn@issda.com> wrote in message
news:b7ke3p$nem$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Uh, well actually if the desktop is used by you 80% of the time and you
have
> a laptop too, then MS EULA allows you to install a copy of both as long as
> you are sure that only 1 copy will be used at a time. This is true of
> Office and many, many other MS products including VS. I would also think
> that Yes Software has this same stance since it is common throughout the
> software industry.
>
> Did I miss something here?
>
> --
> Kindest Regards,
>
> Shawn Mason,CCD,MCP
> I.S. Software Design Associates
>
> "Jeff Stuart" <jstuart@computer-city.net> wrote in message
> news:20030416133122.12af984f.jstuart@computer-city.net...
> > On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:27:45 -0600 "Kevin" <kangus@acats.com> wrote:
> > > While I understand your anti-customer stand I don't agree with it, I
can
> > > only run one copy of your software, granted, but to force me to
purchase
> a
> > > second copy of your software for my portable computer which I use to
> market
> > > "CodeCharge Studio Technology" and test CCS is beyond understanding.
> >
> > Kevin, you're completely off base here... In other words, what you want
to
> do is buy your software once and then INSTALL it on as many computers as
you
> wish. Microsoft doesn't let you do that, nor does Oracle, ERStudio,
> Autocad, or Macromedia. (Even if you technically can install em, that
does
> NOT mean that you are LEGALLY allowed to do that!) Ask Microsoft sometime
> if you can go out and install say one licensed copy of Visual Studio .Net
> Enterprise on your workstation and your laptop. IF I remember correctly,
> the Eula says NO.
> >
> > > I'm showing the potential customers why they should use my services to
> > > create a new web info-structure that allows for rapid change using
tools
> > > like CCS, I walk away with a contract to create the site and train
> in-house
> > > personal on using CCS which of course means YesSoftware sells another
> copy
> > > of CCS. YesSoftware's paranoid restrictions offends me, what you are
> saying
> > > with your policy is simply that you believe everyone is a thief.
> Microsoft,
> > > Oracle, ERStudio, Autocad, Macromedia, and many others understand the
> > > promotion of their product means the customer must be able to show his
> wares
> > > to others and the means to do that is by allowing their customers to
> install
> > > the product on their portable computers.
> >
> > So make your laptop your development machine! *DUH* How difficult is
> that... Turn your workstation into your file server then. Store your
active
> projects on the file server and access em via your LAN.
>
>
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Kevin
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| Posted: 04/16/2003, 2:07 PM |
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Where did I say "INSTALL it on as many computers as you wish"?
From Microsoft Visual Studio .net EULA:
Addendum Section 1.1a
General License Grant. Microsoft grants to you as an individual, a personal,
nonexclusive license to make and use copies of the Product on up to three
computers ..blah blah blah
I called a friend in marketing at Microsoft and they had a good laugh over
your rant.
YesSoftware might want to re-think their abusive user policy....
"Jeff Stuart" <jstuart@computer-city.net> wrote in message
news:20030416133122.12af984f.jstuart@computer-city.net...
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:27:45 -0600 "Kevin" <kangus@acats.com> wrote:
> > While I understand your anti-customer stand I don't agree with it, I can
> > only run one copy of your software, granted, but to force me to purchase
a
> > second copy of your software for my portable computer which I use to
market
> > "CodeCharge Studio Technology" and test CCS is beyond understanding.
>
> Kevin, you're completely off base here... In other words, what you want to
do is buy your software once and then INSTALL it on as many computers as you
wish. Microsoft doesn't let you do that, nor does Oracle, ERStudio,
Autocad, or Macromedia. (Even if you technically can install em, that does
NOT mean that you are LEGALLY allowed to do that!) Ask Microsoft sometime
if you can go out and install say one licensed copy of Visual Studio .Net
Enterprise on your workstation and your laptop. IF I remember correctly,
the Eula says NO.
>
> > I'm showing the potential customers why they should use my services to
> > create a new web info-structure that allows for rapid change using tools
> > like CCS, I walk away with a contract to create the site and train
in-house
> > personal on using CCS which of course means YesSoftware sells another
copy
> > of CCS. YesSoftware's paranoid restrictions offends me, what you are
saying
> > with your policy is simply that you believe everyone is a thief.
Microsoft,
> > Oracle, ERStudio, Autocad, Macromedia, and many others understand the
> > promotion of their product means the customer must be able to show his
wares
> > to others and the means to do that is by allowing their customers to
install
> > the product on their portable computers.
>
> So make your laptop your development machine! *DUH* How difficult is
that... Turn your workstation into your file server then. Store your active
projects on the file server and access em via your LAN.
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Jeff Stuart
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| Posted: 04/16/2003, 7:51 PM |
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Hmm that's interesting... didn't realize that they had changed it yet again. Last I had heard, you weren't allowed to do that. Then again, I don't use MS products all that much any more SOOO ... :) However, I'm guessing that VS.Net uses their new licensing proggy that requires (re)validation based on hardware on the system. Wonder how easy it would be for you to install XP (with same serial #) on your desktop and your laptop.
Sorry, but IMNSHO Yes Software doesn't have a "abusive" user policy. Next time Kevin, use less loaded words and you'll receive a MUCH nicer response. :) I also find it very amusing to see it implied that Microsoft is pro user and Yes Software is anti user. :) But that's a political argument which does not need to be discussed here online. If it MUST be discussed at all... take it to email please.
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:07:37 -0600 "Kevin" <kangus@acats.com> wrote:
> Where did I say "INSTALL it on as many computers as you wish"?
> From Microsoft Visual Studio .net EULA:
> Addendum Section 1.1a
> General License Grant. Microsoft grants to you as an individual, a personal,
> nonexclusive license to make and use copies of the Product on up to three
> computers ..blah blah blah
>
> I called a friend in marketing at Microsoft and they had a good laugh over
> your rant.
> YesSoftware might want to re-think their abusive user policy....
>
> "Jeff Stuart" <jstuart@computer-city.net> wrote in message
> news:20030416133122.12af984f.jstuart@computer-city.net...
> > On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:27:45 -0600 "Kevin" <kangus@acats.com> wrote:
> > > While I understand your anti-customer stand I don't agree with it, I can
> > > only run one copy of your software, granted, but to force me to purchase
> a
> > > second copy of your software for my portable computer which I use to
> market
> > > "CodeCharge Studio Technology" and test CCS is beyond understanding.
> >
> > Kevin, you're completely off base here... In other words, what you want to
> do is buy your software once and then INSTALL it on as many computers as you
> wish. Microsoft doesn't let you do that, nor does Oracle, ERStudio,
> Autocad, or Macromedia. (Even if you technically can install em, that does
> NOT mean that you are LEGALLY allowed to do that!) Ask Microsoft sometime
> if you can go out and install say one licensed copy of Visual Studio .Net
> Enterprise on your workstation and your laptop. IF I remember correctly,
> the Eula says NO.
> >
> > > I'm showing the potential customers why they should use my services to
> > > create a new web info-structure that allows for rapid change using tools
> > > like CCS, I walk away with a contract to create the site and train
> in-house
> > > personal on using CCS which of course means YesSoftware sells another
> copy
> > > of CCS. YesSoftware's paranoid restrictions offends me, what you are
> saying
> > > with your policy is simply that you believe everyone is a thief.
> Microsoft,
> > > Oracle, ERStudio, Autocad, Macromedia, and many others understand the
> > > promotion of their product means the customer must be able to show his
> wares
> > > to others and the means to do that is by allowing their customers to
> install
> > > the product on their portable computers.
> >
> > So make your laptop your development machine! *DUH* How difficult is
> that... Turn your workstation into your file server then. Store your active
> projects on the file server and access em via your LAN.
>
>
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