ritzer
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| Posted: 03/04/2004, 6:19 AM |
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Hi,
can I use the code that is produced by CCS in other areas even in commercial products without having to care about copyright violations?
For example functions like CCSDateFormat or CCSDateParse are very useful for me in other projects even if they are not using CCS.
Is there a legal statement somewhere that clarifies the situation?
Thanks, folks
Helmuth
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DonB
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| Posted: 03/04/2004, 7:02 AM |
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From the License.txt file:
2. GRANT OF LICENSE AND PROHIBITIONS.
Title to all copies of the Software remains with YesSoftware.
This Software is licensed to you. You are not obtaining title to the
Software or any copyrights. You may not sublicense, rent, lease, convey,
translate, decompile, or disassemble the Software for any purpose.
The license may be transferred to another Licensee if you keep no copies of
the Software. Permission must be obtained before mirroring or
redistributing the evaluation copies of the Software.
You may not convert this Software or its parts to a different computer
language or environment, either manually, or using an automated conversion
tool, such that this Software or any modification thereof will run under any
language, software, or program other than implemented by YesSoftware. You
agree that any modifications made to this Software belong to YesSoftware and
are permitted for your exclusive use during the period of this License
Agreement, and may not be transferred, sold or licensed to another entity.
The last paragraph seems to say, "No".
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"ritzer" <ritzer@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
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> Hi,
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> can I use the code that is produced by CCS in other areas even in
commercial products without having to care about copyright violations?
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> For example functions like CCSDateFormat or CCSDateParse are very useful
for me in other projects even if they are not using CCS.
>
> Is there a legal statement somewhere that clarifies the situation?
>
> Thanks, folks
>
> Helmuth
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lneisius
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| Posted: 03/04/2004, 9:36 AM |
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True but the question was about the code generated by this software. In my opinion any generated code is not covered by the licence.
Generated code is the property of the individual to use as they wish.
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yes
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| Posted: 03/04/2004, 9:38 AM |
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Quote lneisius:
True but the question was about the code generated by this software. In my opinion any generated code is not covered by the licence.
Generated code is the property of the individual to use as they wish.
i agree
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DonB
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| Posted: 03/04/2004, 10:21 AM |
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"lneisius" <lneisius@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
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> True but the question was about the code generated by this software.
No, it was about the utility functions in the CCS "common" files
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lneisius
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| Posted: 03/04/2004, 11:43 AM |
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This is generated code!
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ritzer
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| Posted: 03/04/2004, 12:27 PM |
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Quote lneisius:
This is generated code!
That's actually true. But unlike the rest of the application this part of the code comes directly Yes and makes it one by one into the final app. Does that make a difference?
Helmuth
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lneisius
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| Posted: 03/04/2004, 12:40 PM |
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If generated code were copyrighted by the software companies then MS would own nearly 1/2 the world and companies like Adobe, Macromedia, etc... would own the rest. Programmers would not own any of their own apps. Including those created in simple text apps.
Yes does not include any copyright disclaimers in the generated code and in my opinion can't claim copyright to code.
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aric caley
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| Posted: 03/04/2004, 5:02 PM |
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This is kind of an important thing. What if you develop a web based application that you intend to lease to your customers (IE they dont get the code, there's only one copy of the code running on your server, and you're charging for access)? Is that allowed?
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peterr
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| Posted: 03/04/2004, 5:57 PM |
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Generally every written content is automatically copyrighted as soon as it is created, including software: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wccc
Though there are several areas that could be discussed here:
1. Our code in the Common files is copyrighted, but we offer it royalty-free to our users. This is similar to various RAD tools offering royalty-free components for redistribution by the developers using the tool.
Note that at this time we do not include copyright messages in the common/static code but we have the right to do so, for example if we create more extensive code frameworks in the future.
2. CCS projects could not be copyrighted by YesSoftware since they are created (not just generated) by your own actions of creating the page, forms, HTML template, etc.
3. The generated code for each page is somewhere in between (between #1 and #2 above) and I'm not sure if we could, but we definitely do not desire to claim any rights to such code. In fact, you can claim copyright yourself on the application pages that you create.
Imagine for example creating an MS Access, VB, .NET. Delphi or Oracle Forms applications. The application you create is yours and you can copyright it, but you cannot claim copyright rights to MS Access or VB components (DLLs), even if you need to include them when distributing your application.
There are also popular Java frameworks (like Struts) that have their own copyright and licensing (even if GPL/open source), but developers create applications based on those frameworks and those applications are copyrighted separately.
Concluding, the generated code can be used royalty-free. We can claim copyright on the Common (framework) files, but we offer them royalty-free to CCS users. CCS users can actually claim copyright on the generated applications, excluding the common files.
If you are not a CCS user, I'd have to say that it is best to ask us for permission to use our common functions in your code. I'm assuming that usually we would allow this and wouldn't even require any copyright information to be included. Please visit the support link below if this what you're looking for.
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