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DonB
Posted: 09/14/2005, 7:16 PM

One that is oriented towards a visual layout of textboxes, etc. such that
you can drag them around and position exactly where you want them - to
specific pixel coordinates.

Anyone familiar with MS Visual Basic or the MS Access report designer knows
what I'm looking for. I tried FrontPage and, yes, it can do this. BUT, the
interface is extremely awkward. And, FrontPage actually wraps a <SPAN>
around the Textboxes and assigns the positional attributes in the SPAN, not
in the INPUT tag. That sucks.

I downloaded and tried a number of tools that purport to do this, but none
really provided a simple, easy, way to position HTML elements quickly and
without lots of tedious and repetitive effort.

Many tools that claim to let you move and position elements seem to only do
it within the flow of the page's text. I want a Textbox to be positioned
with 'top' and 'left' coordinates in a truly 'floating' manner.

I really only looked in some shareware sites, but perhaps there is a good
'boxed' product out there. I'm not averse to buying one if it works well.
My need is probably only temporary, so obviously a free/throwaway
alternative might be nice if one exists.
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DonB

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Chris Seymour
Posted: 09/20/2005, 5:08 PM

Hi Don,
Don't know if this fits the bill or not, but take a look at
http://www.westciv.com/westciv/downloads.html

Look for Layout Master for Windows.

Cheers.

Chris
DonB
Posted: 09/25/2005, 2:34 PM

Thanks Chris, but that's not what I'm looking for. I user TopStyle for CSS
layouts and it's very good. What I'm seeking is a tool that would be useful
for laying out HTML 'forms' (more accurately: neatly-laid-out, printable
pages).

The "HTML editors' all do this, but all the ones I've looked at are rather
cumbersome. The way Visual Basic works is quite nice -just slide things
around on the page until they are where you want them. Also, the 'one
click' insertion of a textbox is mportant when you have a lot of them to
insert.

The HTML editors I've seen make the simple job require a lot of clicking and
direct HTML editiing, along with constant switches to a 'preview' screen to
see how things look. It's all very inefficient.

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DonB

http://www.gotodon.com/ccbth


"Chris Seymour" <cseymour@seyware.com> wrote in message
news:dgq89u$lnn$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Hi Don,
> Don't know if this fits the bill or not, but take a look at
> http://www.westciv.com/westciv/downloads.html
>
> Look for Layout Master for Windows.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Chris

Walter Kempees
Posted: 10/13/2005, 4:50 PM

Check out their new edition, I liked the old one based on price<->performace
(goodies)
http://www.coffeecup.com/html-editor

Walter

"DonB" <~ccbth~@gotodon.com> schreef in bericht
news:dgalhs$u32$1@news.codecharge.com...
> One that is oriented towards a visual layout of textboxes, etc. such that
> you can drag them around and position exactly where you want them - to
> specific pixel coordinates.
>
> Anyone familiar with MS Visual Basic or the MS Access report designer
> knows
> what I'm looking for. I tried FrontPage and, yes, it can do this. BUT,
> the
> interface is extremely awkward. And, FrontPage actually wraps a <SPAN>
> around the Textboxes and assigns the positional attributes in the SPAN,
> not
> in the INPUT tag. That sucks.
>
> I downloaded and tried a number of tools that purport to do this, but none
> really provided a simple, easy, way to position HTML elements quickly and
> without lots of tedious and repetitive effort.
>
> Many tools that claim to let you move and position elements seem to only
> do
> it within the flow of the page's text. I want a Textbox to be positioned
> with 'top' and 'left' coordinates in a truly 'floating' manner.
>
> I really only looked in some shareware sites, but perhaps there is a good
> 'boxed' product out there. I'm not averse to buying one if it works well.
> My need is probably only temporary, so obviously a free/throwaway
> alternative might be nice if one exists.
> --
> DonB
>
> http://www.gotodon.com/ccbth
>
>
>

DonB
Posted: 10/14/2005, 1:09 PM

Thanks Walter. I'll play around with it.

--
DonB

http://www.gotodon.com/ccbth


"Walter Kempees" <kempe819@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:dimrrn$i07$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Check out their new edition, I liked the old one based on
price<->performace
> (goodies)
> http://www.coffeecup.com/html-editor
>
> Walter
>
> "DonB" <~ccbth~@gotodon.com> schreef in bericht
>news:dgalhs$u32$1@news.codecharge.com...
> > One that is oriented towards a visual layout of textboxes, etc. such
that
> > you can drag them around and position exactly where you want them - to
> > specific pixel coordinates.
> >
> > Anyone familiar with MS Visual Basic or the MS Access report designer
> > knows
> > what I'm looking for. I tried FrontPage and, yes, it can do this. BUT,
> > the
> > interface is extremely awkward. And, FrontPage actually wraps a <SPAN>
> > around the Textboxes and assigns the positional attributes in the SPAN,
> > not
> > in the INPUT tag. That sucks.
> >
> > I downloaded and tried a number of tools that purport to do this, but
none
> > really provided a simple, easy, way to position HTML elements quickly
and
> > without lots of tedious and repetitive effort.
> >
> > Many tools that claim to let you move and position elements seem to only
> > do
> > it within the flow of the page's text. I want a Textbox to be
positioned
> > with 'top' and 'left' coordinates in a truly 'floating' manner.
> >
> > I really only looked in some shareware sites, but perhaps there is a
good
> > 'boxed' product out there. I'm not averse to buying one if it works
well.
> > My need is probably only temporary, so obviously a free/throwaway
> > alternative might be nice if one exists.
> > --
> > DonB
> >
> > http://www.gotodon.com/ccbth
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Leroy Schulz
Posted: 10/14/2005, 4:06 PM

Have a look at NetObjects Fusion. Pixel-perfect positioning has been a
long-time claim to fame for it.

www.netobjects.com

[L]



"DonB" <~ccbth~@gotodon.com> wrote in message
news:dgalhs$u32$1@news.codecharge.com...
> One that is oriented towards a visual layout of textboxes, etc. such that
> you can drag them around and position exactly where you want them - to
> specific pixel coordinates.
>
> Anyone familiar with MS Visual Basic or the MS Access report designer
> knows
> what I'm looking for. I tried FrontPage and, yes, it can do this. BUT,
> the
> interface is extremely awkward. And, FrontPage actually wraps a <SPAN>
> around the Textboxes and assigns the positional attributes in the SPAN,
> not
> in the INPUT tag. That sucks.
>
> I downloaded and tried a number of tools that purport to do this, but none
> really provided a simple, easy, way to position HTML elements quickly and
> without lots of tedious and repetitive effort.
>
> Many tools that claim to let you move and position elements seem to only
> do
> it within the flow of the page's text. I want a Textbox to be positioned
> with 'top' and 'left' coordinates in a truly 'floating' manner.
>
> I really only looked in some shareware sites, but perhaps there is a good
> 'boxed' product out there. I'm not averse to buying one if it works well.
> My need is probably only temporary, so obviously a free/throwaway
> alternative might be nice if one exists.
> --
> DonB
>
> http://www.gotodon.com/ccbth
>
>
>

Walter Kempees
Posted: 10/14/2005, 4:11 PM

Pixel perfect yes, but generates a load of extra HTML.
no critisism am using both.

"Leroy Schulz" <mail@frostbytes.ca> schreef in bericht
news:dipdlp$bcn$1@news.codecharge.com...
> Have a look at NetObjects Fusion. Pixel-perfect positioning has been a
> long-time claim to fame for it.
>
> www.netobjects.com
>
> [L]
>
>
>
> "DonB" <~ccbth~@gotodon.com> wrote in message
>news:dgalhs$u32$1@news.codecharge.com...
>> One that is oriented towards a visual layout of textboxes, etc. such that
>> you can drag them around and position exactly where you want them - to
>> specific pixel coordinates.
>>
>> Anyone familiar with MS Visual Basic or the MS Access report designer
>> knows
>> what I'm looking for. I tried FrontPage and, yes, it can do this. BUT,
>> the
>> interface is extremely awkward. And, FrontPage actually wraps a <SPAN>
>> around the Textboxes and assigns the positional attributes in the SPAN,
>> not
>> in the INPUT tag. That sucks.
>>
>> I downloaded and tried a number of tools that purport to do this, but
>> none
>> really provided a simple, easy, way to position HTML elements quickly and
>> without lots of tedious and repetitive effort.
>>
>> Many tools that claim to let you move and position elements seem to only
>> do
>> it within the flow of the page's text. I want a Textbox to be positioned
>> with 'top' and 'left' coordinates in a truly 'floating' manner.
>>
>> I really only looked in some shareware sites, but perhaps there is a good
>> 'boxed' product out there. I'm not averse to buying one if it works
>> well.
>> My need is probably only temporary, so obviously a free/throwaway
>> alternative might be nice if one exists.
>> --
>> DonB
>>
>> http://www.gotodon.com/ccbth
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Leroy Schulz
Posted: 10/15/2005, 12:21 PM

> Pixel perfect yes, but generates a load of extra HTML.

True. That's the trade-off.

[L]


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