Bill
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| Posted: 10/23/2005, 7:48 PM |
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Seems I cant use NetObjects as an external html editor. Is this correct? Set it up a external editor, but then when try and open externally, get messg, "This is not a valid Netobjects Fusion file"
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peterr
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| Posted: 10/23/2005, 8:57 PM |
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Yes, NOF is not an HTML editor but rather an HTML generator. NOF doesn't edit HTML but uses its own file format instead of HTML, then they output HTML from it. You cannot open any HTML files with NOF, although you can import HTML into NOF and NOF will convert it into its own format.
Generally this type of software won't work with CCS. It must be a true HTML editor.
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kpa
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| Posted: 11/02/2005, 6:51 PM |
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This is a topic very dear to my heart because I'm a big fan of NOF and CCS yet never the twain shall meet. I know quite some time ago there was some hint of a CCS component for NOF and I found some general discussions on it but I don't believe it amounted to anything.
There have also been a number of things written about how to use NOF and CCS but back when they were written it wasn't necesarilly that elegant.
It had occurred to me that you could use NOF to create a framwork for an application and then use the code generated as templates in CCS where you select a template option but I have yet to test this theory.
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BForbes
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| Posted: 01/03/2006, 3:06 PM |
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Folks,
I have been able to successfully use Code Charge Studio 3 With NetObjects 9. CodeCharge will not integrate directly with NetObjects but works quite nicely with FrontPage 2003. All the CodeCharge Steps below are done in Frontpage.
Assuming you are using ASP:
1. In NetObjects, create a page and place a blank cell (placeholder) where you will later display the CodeCharge Table. Save the property (Custom Name) of the page as .asp and Local Publish the pages.
2. Open up this page from (Local Publish) in FrontPage, copy the HTML code. Close the page.
3. In FrontPage, Open a new CodeCharge project.
4. Create a blank page
5. In the "Code View" Paste the copied HTML from NetObjects onto the blank page. If you click on preview you will see the formatting from the NetObjects page preserved very nicely.
6. In design View, Place your curser in that empty cell you created earlier.
7. On the CodeCharge toolbar I chose the "Grid Builder". Go through the steps you all ready know to build your DB Connection and Grid.
8. Save this page with the same file name you gave the original NetObjects page.
9. You can replace the original NetObjects page with the one you just created. Make sure you place the page and all assets / images, etc in the appropriate folders.
This works quite nicely for me. A lot of steps but it did work on a simple data grid. Considering the alternative of trying to hand code all this I'm definately glad I could do this on a small scale. I'm not sure if this would work using PHP or NetObjects 8 for that matter.
It would be nice to have a CodeCharge Plugin for Net Objects.
I hope this would be useful to someone here,
Brent
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Walter Kempees
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| Posted: 01/03/2006, 3:21 PM |
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Thanks for explanation.
Will try PhP NOF8 sometime this month and give feedback.
Do you find (apart from the advantages already known to CCS'ers) any extra
advantages over using the Database functions in NOF?
"BForbes" <BForbes@forum.codecharge> schreef in bericht
news:243bb038904947@news.codecharge.com...
> Folks,
> I have been able to successfully use Code Charge Studio 3 With NetObjects
> 9.
> CodeCharge will not integrate directly with NetObjects but works quite
> nicely
> with FrontPage 2003. All the CodeCharge Steps below are done in Frontpage.
>
> Assuming you are using ASP:
> 1. In NetObjects, create a page and place a blank cell (placeholder) where
> you
> will later display the CodeCharge Table. Save the property (Custom Name)
> of the
> page as .asp and Local Publish the pages.
>
> 2. Open up this page from (Local Publish) in FrontPage, copy the HTML
> code.
> Close the page.
> 3. In FrontPage, Open a new CodeCharge project.
> 4. Create a blank page
> 5. In the "Code View" Paste the copied HTML from NetObjects onto the blank
> page. If you click on preview you will see the formatting from the
> NetObjects
> page preserved very nicely.
> 6. In design View, Place your curser in that empty cell you created
> earlier.
> 7. On the CodeCharge toolbar I chose the "Grid Builder". Go through the
> steps
> you all ready know to build your DB Connection and Grid.
> 8. Save this page with the same file name you gave the original NetObjects
> page.
> 9. You can replace the original NetObjects page with the one you just
> created.
> Make sure you place the page and all assets / images, etc in the
> appropriate
> folders.
>
> This works quite nicely for me. A lot of steps but it did work on a simple
> data
> grid. Considering the alternative of trying to hand code all this I'm
> definately
> glad I could do this on a small scale. I'm not sure if this would work
> using PHP
> or NetObjects 8 for that matter.
>
> It would be nice to have a CodeCharge Plugin for Net Objects.
>
> I hope this would be useful to someone here,
>
> Brent
> ---------------------------------------
> Sent from YesSoftware forum
> http://forums.codecharge.com/
>
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BForbes
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| Posted: 01/03/2006, 6:43 PM |
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There are plenty of advantages in using CCS over the db functions that come with NetObjects. Too much to list. The search routines and the new reporting features alone are robust.
I enjoy using NOF but the database functions just aren't there yet.
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Walter Kempees
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| Posted: 01/04/2006, 3:00 AM |
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That really is what I thought, thanks for confirmation.
Walter
"BForbes" <BForbes@forum.codecharge> schreef in bericht
news:243bb364dccc28@news.codecharge.com...
> There are plenty of advantages in using CCS over the db functions that
> come with
> NetObjects. Too much to list. The search routines and the new reporting
> features
> alone are robust.
>
> I enjoy using NOF but the database functions just aren't there yet.
> ---------------------------------------
> Sent from YesSoftware forum
> http://forums.codecharge.com/
>
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Don
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| Posted: 01/04/2006, 1:31 PM |
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Hello Brent,
What is the benefit of using NetObjects with CCS?
Don
"BForbes" <BForbes@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
news:243bb038904947@news.codecharge.com...
> Folks,
> I have been able to successfully use Code Charge Studio 3 With NetObjects
> 9.
> CodeCharge will not integrate directly with NetObjects but works quite
> nicely
> with FrontPage 2003. All the CodeCharge Steps below are done in Frontpage.
>
> Assuming you are using ASP:
> 1. In NetObjects, create a page and place a blank cell (placeholder) where
> you
> will later display the CodeCharge Table. Save the property (Custom Name)
> of the
> page as .asp and Local Publish the pages.
>
> 2. Open up this page from (Local Publish) in FrontPage, copy the HTML
> code.
> Close the page.
> 3. In FrontPage, Open a new CodeCharge project.
> 4. Create a blank page
> 5. In the "Code View" Paste the copied HTML from NetObjects onto the blank
> page. If you click on preview you will see the formatting from the
> NetObjects
> page preserved very nicely.
> 6. In design View, Place your curser in that empty cell you created
> earlier.
> 7. On the CodeCharge toolbar I chose the "Grid Builder". Go through the
> steps
> you all ready know to build your DB Connection and Grid.
> 8. Save this page with the same file name you gave the original NetObjects
> page.
> 9. You can replace the original NetObjects page with the one you just
> created.
> Make sure you place the page and all assets / images, etc in the
> appropriate
> folders.
>
> This works quite nicely for me. A lot of steps but it did work on a simple
> data
> grid. Considering the alternative of trying to hand code all this I'm
> definately
> glad I could do this on a small scale. I'm not sure if this would work
> using PHP
> or NetObjects 8 for that matter.
>
> It would be nice to have a CodeCharge Plugin for Net Objects.
>
> I hope this would be useful to someone here,
>
> Brent
> ---------------------------------------
> Sent from YesSoftware forum
> http://forums.codecharge.com/
>
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BForbes
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| Posted: 01/05/2006, 8:11 PM |
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Hello Don,
CCS makes web driven databases an easy task. However, if you want that special look, you would need some other kind of html editor or webdesign tool.
Frontpage works very nicely with CCS but there are other tools like NetObjects that have professionally designed templates and components that would give your site a state of the art look and other functionality in a minimal amount of time without having to deal with FrontPage extensions etc. I like to keep my options open and not just use one tool. It would be nice to have one tool that does everything but I haven't found that tool yet
I suspect that if you play around with Dreamweaver and a few others, you'll find some way to use CCS with them as well.
I tried it as an experiment to see if it would work. I have an example that I'll post for a couple of days here:
http://www.webcraftsman.net/DVD
Its just a small database with a DVD movie list. The site was a template that I used with NetObjects9 just to test. There's no real content on the template but if you click on the DVD list Link/Tab you'll see the database. When I have some time I'll see if I can add security and entry pages as well. Its just nice to know that I have that option if needed.
Brent
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Don
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| Posted: 01/05/2006, 8:43 PM |
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Hello Brent,
Thanks for your kind reply!
Don
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kpa
Posts: 31
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| Posted: 03/19/2006, 9:55 PM |
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Thanks guys - in my view NOF remains the tool of choice for quickly putting together a nice looking web site. CodeCharge remains the tool of choice for quickly putting together a database driven web site. Oh what I would give for a marriage of the two.
It hadn't escaped me that you can lever a CC site into a NOF site but as soon as you cut and paste you lose the updateability of it all i.e. if you make a change to NOF everything will be the same (if you donlt trash your embed points) but if you make a change in CC then it won't, so more cutting and pasting.
NOF also has the ability to import HTML with or without the headers and this may be worth a try but last time I tried this (maybe NOF 6 or 7), it played with file names too much and screwed the CC app.
Database driven apps are now much better accommodated in NOF if you use its inbuilt tag tools but you really need to be a coder. NOF aslo has some isues in the way it creates row iterations due to the way NOF renders table code. It usually results in a TD or two being inserted between each output row of your database. This is really unacceptable in my view and I did write to NOF Support in detail about it. I did actually create a work around by embedding parts of comment tags in certain HTML embed points in NOF but it took about two hours of fiddling and testing and wasn't that elegeant.
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