cosutton
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| Posted: 08/01/2006, 9:44 PM |
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20 day free trial? Yeah as long as you keep a nice little advertising banner at the bottom of your page. I can get a 180 day demo of MS Studo and as cheesy as Microsoft is, at least they don't put crap in your page that you can't get rid of. Adobe, Macromedia whatever you want to call it these days gives 30 day free trials of ALL of their software and do you see some amateur, advertising slogan at the bottom of every page it creates?
Other problems with this software:
Yes, it generates datagrids and form controls nicely, but GOD FORBID YOU WANT TO MODIFY EVEN THE SIMPLEST bit of PHP code by hand. Good luck finding it unless you've been working with PHP since it's founding. In which case, I don't know why you would be using a Rapid Application Development app anyways.
You have to keep recreating Connection 1everytime you create a project???? Give me a break.....
This is bloatware, a totally convoluted needless piece of software. Oh, and that's not cheesy or anything, putting 10 million Meta tags for your company in the generated pages. I guess evertime you preview your page, it adds it? WHo created this software a 15 year old kid?
Act like you've been here before Yes Software.
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peterr
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| Posted: 08/01/2006, 10:20 PM |
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cosutton,
There is no need to modify the generated PHP code, just add your own PHP code via events. This is explained in the examples and tutorials, and thousands of Web applications work just fine this way.
As for your other remarks, I can only recommend that you use products that you are happy with.
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klwillis
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| Posted: 08/01/2006, 10:50 PM |
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I can assure you Code Charge Studio is worth every penny.
It's proved it's worth several times over for me.
Many users here can agree that once they'e become familiar
with Code Charge Studio, they rarely (if ever) need to use any
other IDE for web application development.
My suggestion is *always* start with a simple project (i.e. keeping track of your personnal phone numbers,) and then build from there.
You'll need to struggle a bit (as with any IDE), but the learning curve to get up to speed is not nearly as long as with the other tools, and you'll be getting projects done *without the bugs* at a far faster pace.
No tool is perfect, but Code Charge Studio is my tool of choice for
web application development.
Quote cosutton:
20 day free trial? Yeah as long as you keep a nice little advertising banner at the bottom of your page. I can get a 180 day demo of MS Studo and as cheesy as Microsoft is, at least they don't put crap in your page that you can't get rid of. Adobe, Macromedia whatever you want to call it these days gives 30 day free trials of ALL of their software and do you see some amateur, advertising slogan at the bottom of every page it creates?
Other problems with this software:
Yes, it generates datagrids and form controls nicely, but GOD FORBID YOU WANT TO MODIFY EVEN THE SIMPLEST bit of PHP code by hand. Good luck finding it unless you've been working with PHP since it's founding. In which case, I don't know why you would be using a Rapid Application Development app anyways.
You have to keep recreating Connection 1everytime you create a project???? Give me a break.....
This is bloatware, a totally convoluted needless piece of software. Oh, and that's not cheesy or anything, putting 10 million Meta tags for your company in the generated pages. I guess evertime you preview your page, it adds it? WHo created this software a 15 year old kid?
Act like you've been here before Yes Software.
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WKempees
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| Posted: 08/02/2006, 3:26 AM |
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cosutton,
Walter
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cosutton
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| Posted: 08/02/2006, 5:29 AM |
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Sorry I was just frustrated. I spent two days trying to figure out how to use this software.
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cosutton
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| Posted: 08/02/2006, 6:00 AM |
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OK, I woke up with a renewed zeal to master this program. You are right, there is a learning curve with any new software. Thanks for the support.
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peterr
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| Posted: 08/02/2006, 11:03 AM |
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Let me know when I can change the subject to "Thank God I will buy this software" 
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wkempees
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| Posted: 08/02/2006, 12:12 PM |
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CCS3/4.01.006 PhP, MySQL .Net/InMotion(Vista/XP, XAMPP)
if you liked this info PAYPAL me: http://donate.consultair.eu
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Hidran
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| Posted: 08/03/2006, 7:54 AM |
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Thanks to CCS I got a job and I make a lot of money with it.
If you take the time to read the manual, take a look at the examples
you get used to it quite fast.
Of course, if you don't master one of its programming language
or OOP you won't get the best of it.
I have made a lot of projects:CMS, newsletter, CRM,
portals, timesheet and I have never needed to touch
the source files but always using events you can modify
every output you want.
Long live CCS!
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klwillis
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| Posted: 08/03/2006, 2:30 PM |
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I'm glad to hear you've gotton over the "hump" :)
Quote cosutton:
OK, I woke up with a renewed zeal to master this program. You are right, there is a learning curve with any new software. Thanks for the support.
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david-h
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| Posted: 08/07/2006, 3:38 AM |
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Cosutton
It'll take more than a couple of days to work out how to use the potential of CCS. It's a substantial learning curve, but once the mist starts to clear (with help from this great forum community  ) my bet is that you won't want to go back to any other software. I've got a copy of InterDev around here somewhere - long consigned to the bin!
All I can tell you is that CCS has earnt me hundreds of times what I paid for it. Although I admit, it seemed expensive at the time!
Hang in there.
David
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JJ
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| Posted: 08/07/2006, 5:23 AM |
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Hi,
I do agree with some of the comments he made but i have to admit CC Is a great app.
If it had an html editor as good as dreamweaver it would be the best app in this area on the market.
Lets just pray...
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kneighbour
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| Posted: 08/08/2006, 5:07 AM |
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Quote cosutton:
You have to keep recreating Connection 1everytime you create a project???? Give me a break.....
This is something I have to agree with - it is ludicrous. It really makes you wonder if the guys that wrote CCS actually use it!
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Damian Hupfeld
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| Posted: 08/08/2006, 1:52 PM |
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I have to say I really dont understand what the big deal is. I have around
20 CCS3 and 15 CCS 2 projects and I honestly do not remember ever being
bothered by spending 2mins setting up Connection 1.
In fact almost everyone of these projects has different settings for
Connection1.
regards
Damian
"kneighbour" <kneighbour@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
news:544d87e68e93a9@news.codecharge.com...
> Quote cosutton:
> You have to keep recreating Connection 1everytime you create a project????
> Give
> me a break.....
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> This is something I have to agree with - it is ludicrous. It really makes
> you
> wonder if the guys that wrote CCS actually use it!
> _________________
> Kerry Neighbour
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> Sent from YesSoftware forum
> http://forums.codecharge.com/
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peterr
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| Posted: 08/08/2006, 2:10 PM |
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I suspect that there may be some misunderstanding here. Creating new connections for each new project is as logical, natural and clear as it can be. It is no different than specifying domain name of each new Website that you may create.
Keeping connection settings from some previous random project (which one?) could actually do more harm because CCS wouldn't warn you that connection settings need to be specified, and you might spend more time trying to figure out why those old connection settings from another project don't work in a new project.
Unless we all are missing something here. It would be more helpful to hear ideas for specific solution(s) and how something should work, rather than how it shouldn't work...
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WKempees
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| Posted: 08/08/2006, 2:11 PM |
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(Not adressed at Damian)
Connection1 is just a name.
Name it anything you like.
And if you want to stop defining it over and over again, which would only
happen if you are building several projects all based on one and the same
database, one can always create a basic project (minimal) and copy that
around to base a new project on.
Then in stead of defining a connection you can spend time deleting the pages
you don't need.
Walter
Reading this topic one can conclude it has been ended.
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WKempees
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| Posted: 08/08/2006, 2:13 PM |
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agreed!
Pls do not change it.
Walter
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kneighbour
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| Posted: 08/09/2006, 12:11 AM |
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Quote peterr:
Unless we all are missing something here. It would be more helpful to hear ideas for specific solution(s) and how something should work, rather than how it shouldn't work...
The problem is (at least for me), is that I am creating many test projects - all on the same database. So EVERY time I start a new project, I have to type in exactly the same stuff each time. After half a dozen times, this fact alone is enough to make you give up. As a programmer, I do not like even typing in the same data twice!
The other point is that I have many tables (from different systems) in the one mySQL 'database'. This is because most web hosts only allow a very finite number of MySQL databases - 3 or 5 or something. So while I am doing up different projects for totally different systems, they all point to the one MySQL database.
The answer - is to have a "list of connections" that you have defined. When you add a new project, you select from this predefined list of connections. You do it now with Styles - just have the Connections global. Perhaps you allow editing of the connection details in the project itself after that, but I would be happy not even being able to do that. As long as you can clone a connection, and then edit the new connection, that would be great.
Another user here mentioned cloning a project, and then deleting all the pages you did not want. This is a good idea, and it is in fact what I generally do now, but it seems a bit of a kludge.
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cosutton
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| Posted: 08/09/2006, 6:03 AM |
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Well, it's not a deal breaker for me, the fact that you have to set up the connection every time you do a new project, but it really is a pain, especially since no other software that I've trialed makes you go through so many steps to set up a MYSQL connection. There is the initial page for the connection, and then you have to enter basically the same data for the Advanced tab of the connection. Why is that anyway?
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tonyk
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| Posted: 08/09/2006, 9:19 AM |
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Hey guys come on!!
Set up a basic project maybe with one blank page, thats all you need.
Then copy it as suggested above and rename the directory. Change the user file to the one you use for the new project.
Time < 1 minute, I've timed it!!
However it is sensible to make a new connection if you can, otherwise if someone gets hold of your multi-site connection id/pass they have access to all sites not just the one. I suspect that is why the system is arranged as it is.
Apart from that minor irritation how are you doin cosutton :)
Tony
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| Posted: 08/10/2006, 4:27 AM |
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Code Charge is great IMHO
I didnt know php at all (or ANY other language for that matter - well, Basic in the 80s!) and yet with Codechagre and mainly the help of this forum (cheers mambobrown - walter!) I have managed to create a full job system which creates PDF invoices, tasks, keeps track of everything and even emails out invoices to customers until they pay!
It will take a while to get used to teh way in which CCS works, but the programs helped along greatly by the community behind it. This forum is a fantastic resource and if you cant do something, then ask! I garuntee you'll get itsorted within a day or two.
I tried loads of other programs of a similar ilk and none had teh powerfull features and good community that CCS has...
Please for your own sake, give it time... good things come to he who waits, and I dont mean Guiness !
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cosutton
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| Posted: 08/10/2006, 5:34 AM |
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Peterr,
Thanks for the support. Thanks to everyone actually. I'm working my way through the tutorials and trying to do some of the more simple things first. I do think that CCS has a great support group and it's a very powerful and advanced product. Worth the money. The CSS and HTML templates are probably the best looking of any RAD out there. Thanks
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matheus
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| Posted: 08/10/2006, 5:52 AM |
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Peterr, can change topic's name now.
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cosutton
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| Posted: 08/10/2006, 5:57 AM |
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Sure. I was just so frustrated because I was trying to learn the program without reading the manual or doing the tutorials, I usually don't need to do that to learn a program, but with this one I've found that it is essential if you want to take advantage of all the great features.
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phil
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| Posted: 08/11/2006, 7:44 AM |
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I started using and it was really easy to use. Much easier to use than codecharge, but after taking time to learn the basics of this great app, i must admit codecharge is the only program which allows you to create applications so fast, which work perfectly.
My only problem is that even when using it as a frontpage add-in, the code generated still has that annoying "generated by codecharge" message and the codecharge meta tags. Its really annoying and i had to figure out a way to get rid of it which i did. Will post on forum.
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tonyk
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| Posted: 08/11/2006, 1:12 PM |
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Peronally I say respect to the guys/gals who wrote the code, I have no probs with a meta 'up' for them
Tony
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WKempees
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| Posted: 08/11/2006, 4:12 PM |
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Peterr,
can you rename this thread as suggested (or close it please).
cosutton has agreed already , we all do actually.
the current name annoys me everytime I see it.
And it is still attracting more (cross-) posts.
Phil,
Your META issue is decribed here:
http://forums.codecharge.com/posts.php?post_id=77515&s_...=META+generated
and yes it works.
Otherwise you could always use a text replacement tool on the .html files.
(Search and replace).
Personally I don't bother, not with CodeCharge not with NetObjectFusion not
even with FrontPage, all doing the same!
The other generated message will dissapear upon activation.
Walter
(my personal opinion)
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datadoit.com
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| Posted: 08/17/2006, 7:11 AM |
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"kneighbour" <kneighbour@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
news:544d98abcc497d@news.codecharge.com...
> The problem is (at least for me), is that I am creating many test
> projects -
> all on the same database. So EVERY time I start a new project, I have to
> type
> in exactly the same stuff each time. After half a dozen times, this fact
> alone
> is enough to make you give up. As a programmer, I do not like even typing
> in
> the same data twice! [chopped the rest]
You probably spent 10 minutes pounding on your keyboard complaining about
having to spend 2 minutes pounding on your keyboard. You coulda set up five
new db connections in that time period! :)
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