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| Posted: 08/08/2006, 4:57 AM |
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Being new to CodeCharge, in fact still in the evaluation period, I look for examples and explanations (detailed steps) on how things are done. For the most part many of the examples are good guide posts to designing a portion of a working solution to something.
I was working with the example for a portal, specifically the default.asp page that was given. I changed the style of a couple of the items and then noticed that CCS started to generate a whole bunch of error messages relating to grids. Unfortunately I couldn't find any documentation on how one constructs such a complex page as the default page in the portal.
This led me to a search for some function within CC that would either allow me to rebuild the html from the designer or vice-versa. In other words, when things really run amuk but the design (in the designer page) looks good, it would be nice to press a button that rebuilds the html code and asp code. (Missing tags in html code can become a nightmare especially if one has only very limited experience in html coding.) It should be noted that the page I finally ended up with looked nice but when it was generated and then viewed, only the search box appeared on the final product.
So, might anyone know if there is a step-by-step procedure for building a default page similar to the portals default page? I mean, build it from scratch!
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Item 2 - There is a tool called the link tool. If one creates a blank page and plops down a whole bunch of these, one sees in the project explorer a reference to each one. Clicking on any one of these shows the properties (in the lower right hand corner if you're in the default mode that CCS opens) but does not show where it is on the designer page. In other words, if I put say 20 of these links on a page, I can easily find reference to them in the project explorer but not on the design sheet itself.
Is there any way to have CCS work so that if one clicks on the link in project view, it will highlight or somehow identify the control in the designer page? Searching through gobs of controls on a page sort of defeats the rapid development concept. It would be nice to "click and see" the control.
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Item 3 - The license agreement. If one creates an application can the final product be sold royality free? I understand (I think) that I cannot give away the files that are in the codecharge directory used to create the application. This is kind of confusing because the same files that appear in that directory appear to be in the published directory i.e. *.asp and *.html. Any insight from the legal department?
Thank you for any replies or insight you may have to offer.
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Waspman
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| Posted: 08/09/2006, 12:35 AM |
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Welcome to the world of CCS.
You have embarked on a wonderful journey, one which will bring great pain, joy and wealth(?)
You will experience frustration and elation (usually within minutes), and you will come to wonder how you managed without it.
As a guide;
With CCS you can do whatever you like.
You will mess things up and have to start again (many times).
There are no step-by-step guides cos you can do whatever you like.
There is no right and wrong way.
Think your problems through with an open and creative mind.
There is always another way to do it!
Keep it simple!
Ask easy to answer questions on the forum
Re; Portal
There will be many times when you have to start again and building it for yourself is very easy when you get your head round it. (Think containers and included pages)
Links:
When you add links they should appear on the design page so you can modify them, check the way you are doing it. Even if they are from a DB column they would appear as link1, link2 etc.
The license agreement.
I develop and sell my apps all the time. The reason the CCS files are in the folder is cos you are publishing to the same folder that your master files are in.
CCS is brilliant and once you get over the initial hurdles you will love it…I promise
Tony
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webdev
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| Posted: 08/09/2006, 5:02 AM |
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Ah, Waspman, those are words of wisdom and insight!
I don't know how far back you go with computer languages but for me it's more years than I care to look back on.
CodeCharge reminds me of another innovative software package that was designed back in the late '80's or early 90's, created by the people at Superbase. In fact, they claimed at that time (and still claim) they were the first relational database software out there. That was before programmers like us had to even think in terms of "sharing" files, locking records and so forth. They had a very innovative software package and it was really the first "GUI" that made astounding breakthroughs.
Then the folks at Borland Corporation came up with "ObjectVision" and wow, that puppy introduced simplicity into program design and it linked to a dbase IV database. (Hope I'm not going back too many years for the folks over here.)
Shortly after both these products were released our dear friends at Microsoft came up with Access which would link to a same (but different) type of database - the mdb variety.
The point to this little drawback to history is that CodeCharge reminds me of a combination of all those interfaces to data and from my point of view, is an enriching experience. However, it should be noted that those software packages that did succeed the test of time had one thing in common and that was a good learning guide for people to play with. Access is one example where many authors created books on the program. I assume they did this because they saw a very large market for such an item. It should also be noted that when Access first started out they offered FREE technical support, minus the cost of the toll call. They did this for years because, I believe, they needed feedback from people who really develop software within the Access framework.
Then Microsoft pulled a fast one. They said you couldn't use certain controls in anything you distribute. In other words, they were not "royalty free." That's why I asked about it in the previous message. I went down that path with Microsoft and spent more than a year developing software for Access only to find out I had to pay something back to MS. By the way, they never did provide a list of what controls one could include in the "release" version of anything you designed.
At that point in time I started to use Pascal (a very old language) which later became the foundation of Delphi.
So, all things considered, I'm reluctant to "buy into" something unless I know for sure the details of what I'm getting into. I, like anyone out there who programs these machines, does not want nor need any surprises down the road in the form of lawsuits for copyright infringement.
I would make one recommendation to the folks at CodeCharge which could blow every other development software out of the water and that would be to take the design interface and make it like a CorelDraw worksheet. Then press a button and poof, here's the html, asp or whatever code and so forth. The concept is not new and in fact, dates back to the 90's in terms of the GUI for programmers.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts with everyone. I'm sure there are many people out there, like us, who have gone through the same or similar experiences.
Wayne
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webdev
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| Posted: 08/22/2006, 12:08 PM |
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What happened to the other two posts that were here?
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peterr
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| Posted: 08/22/2006, 12:36 PM |
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Whose posts were they? Maybe the poster removed them.
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webdev
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| Posted: 08/22/2006, 12:57 PM |
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One post was from Mr. Tony Waspman and the other was my reply to his post. In his post he had placed some code that referred to the aspEmail email function with html code. The post was placed on the forum last week. I replied a few days later, after I had purchased the software so that I could review what was in the Example 2 package, telling him that the code worked. I also thanked him for placing the code online so that others, like myself who are not as experienced in asp and the do's and don't with codecharge, can see how the syntax would go for the emailing.
Regarding the deletion of a message: when I logged on and hit the edit button there was no option available to delete anything. I suppose that certain users of this system are entrusted to delete their own messages and I guess those of others, like my reply to Tony. Either that or someone with administrative capability deleted those messages.
It is perhaps interesting to note that this morning I replied to an incident ticket in what some might think as negative feedback. Look up case# 983922634. My reply was rather lengthy and I thought constructive criticism to help YesSoftware. By this afternoon these additional messages were gone from this forum. This is not to imply anything nor should it be construed as such.
I thought Tony had some interesting insight into the email function that many could appreciate and perhaps use in their own modified way.
Thanks for taking the time to look into this matter and respond so rapidly. I guess you're the front line, in the trenches so to speak, for knowledge about codecharge. I've noticed your input all over the forum and I think that's great! It's the other end of YesSoftware support that I worry about.
Take care,
Wayne
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peterr
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| Posted: 08/22/2006, 1:23 PM |
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That was a different topic. Those posts are at http://forums.codecharge.com/posts.php?post_id=78314
I checked and none of your posts were deleted.
I also see that your case #983922634 is fine and also wasn't edited or deleted.
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| Posted: 08/22/2006, 1:36 PM |
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Thanks for the reply Peter. Sorry about the confusion on my end. It must have been one of those late night and over-worked modes I was in with few hours of sleep. Keep up the good work! You're probably the backone of the company.
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