FrankR
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| Posted: 09/20/2006, 5:17 AM |
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So, I'm about to ask some questions that some companies are happy to answer, and others are not.  But, for developers building a serious business dependency on CCS, I think these are relevant questions:
1. What is the size of the install base of CodeCharge Studio? Particularly, how many licenses are out there for V3?
2. If you made a list of large, recognizable corporations with more than onesie-twosie licenses of CCS, how many companies would be on that list?
3. How many people are involved with development of the core product? Is it a one man show where the product dies if something unexpectedly happens to the chief, or is it a team that can absolutely, positively sustain this product for a long haul?
[Thank you. These questions are asked with good intentions, not to be a pain.]
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Edd
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| Posted: 09/20/2006, 3:47 PM |
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Frank,
No organisation will give you those sorts of figures (FYI I already asked and they said they would not tell).
All I can say is that Codecharge can grow to whatever size you want. I have personally over 1,000 pages in my application suite under one the framework, mind you I had to tweak the security to handle one client with 4,000 users, but it works better than the Coldfusion counterpart.
Have a look at the Codecharge awards to see the organisations that are using it.
Codecharge Studio is incredibly UNDER PRICED for what it does, that I have found seems to put the Corporate developers off. I don't know about anyone else but I shy away (at the beginning) from telling people what my development program is, when they buy the software and see how quickly I develop their requests - they just drool.
Five Star product in my books.
Edd
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tonyk
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| Posted: 09/20/2006, 6:22 PM |
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It's a seriously good product and I am certainly not going to say it is under-priced, come on... don't give them ideas!! :)
The more you use it the more powerful it seems to get.
As for the details you are asking for they are the sort of things people like BG would like to know before taking the company over and killing invention.
Considering the size and complexity of the system I rather doubt it is in the head of one developer, if it was he would have a skull so large he wouldn't be able to get out of bed.
I understand your concerns but I think you will never get the info you request.
Tony
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peterr
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| Posted: 09/21/2006, 1:26 AM |
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Frank,
I agree that you may not get answers to such questions but I just want to point out that these are user forums while such questions should be directed to the company. I also participate in the forums in user capacity.
Though re: #3
40 people, although maybe not everyone works on CCS or not at all times. The product was already sustained quite a long time in this fast-paced market (6 years). While if any company tells you that they can absolutely, positively sustain their products for a long haul - I'd be concerned... 
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wkempees
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| Posted: 09/21/2006, 1:36 AM |
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Good product.
Based on track record, sustainable.
Losing the Chief will always set back a product.
Pricewise, a development environment we used previously for Client/Server development was also mistaken for being non-corporate based on it's price, those who thought so made a big mistake!
This is a corporate strenght product, when used by the right people, meaning well trained in DBA and (the) programming language (used).
Walter
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FrankR
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| Posted: 09/21/2006, 5:23 AM |
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Good feedback. Thanks, everyone.
I would not agree this a question for outside this user forum. Yes, you can't reveal info here you deem proprietary, but outside of that, this kind of dialog is definitely of great interest and value to many in this user forum.
I have lived long enough to see many business Disasters based on building a business dependency on something that was a one man show.
Without getting all the particulars, it puts my mind at ease knowing this company isn't one or two people. I heard enough to take my chances.
I think the other thing spooking me about the product is - the lack of other places for support. No other forums or newsgroups that I am aware of. I'd feel alot more comfortable if I found a verbose community of CCS+.NETters.
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| Posted: 09/21/2006, 6:52 AM |
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Frank,
Not telling you off but support is at http://support.yessoftware.com, and a
good one at that (at least in my experience).
As for the Community, I am pleased with a centralized one like this one.
There are a few other resources, country specific ones and specialized ones
but this one is the most active.
As for product updates obstructing work, this can happen to any development
using any tool upgrading, the CCS 2 to 3 migration was well supported during
the Beta test with clear warnings, and even better supported when CCS3
became final. Even some of the problems migrating after that encountered by
a select few were in some cases handled by extra tooling, which benefited
all of us.
Sub version migration has not caused problems on our side yet.
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Without getting all the particulars, it puts my mind at ease knowing this
company isn't one or two people. I heard enough to take my chances.
Good decision, you can (if you need some extra) take my chances too ;-P
Walter
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