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RonB

Posts: 228
Posted: 10/26/2006, 11:36 AM

Ok here's a list of some things I 've seen in a competitors product I realy am starting to mis in codecharge studio:

- lookup table field in grid wizard. The product I'm testing gives you the option to define fields that get their value from a lookup table during the grid wizard stage....simple, elegant, must have

- comma seperated checkboxes, lists. we use comma seperated fields to store access levels. Now I have to hand code the list to array and vice versa in order to insert or update them

- CSS menu's. speaks for itself

- Horizontal looper ( has been asked for m,any times but Yes keeps pointing to the example code you can use in a before show event.) Would be nice if this were present as a basic grid choice.

-editable dropdowns. Again as a wizard not hand coded

- Auto complete textfield. For the ever so long dropdowns or multi line menu's. I now create them by using I frames holding the result set and a form above that reacting on key up triggers reloading the result page in the Iframe with the search string typed so far.


- Form validation wizard. Create your own validation rules through a wizard.

- Multiple image upload with resize. Again as a wizard not hand coded.

- Hide/show form components based on rules in record forms. For example: if you choose "other" in a listbox a textfield apears where you can ad a comment about what you mean by other etc etc

That's it for now. Still testing :-)

Up to now I'm a bit torn. The other product has integration with dreamweaver wich is nice but also mixes php with html wich I truely despise. It seems more poised at the developer used to dreamweaver and less to coders like me wich Codecharge is excelent for. I'm also the lazy type. I hate coding stuff that could easely be automated and generated for me. Drag and drop is my motto ;-) Yet they also have xml import and export and they have an ajax roadmap for future relases. Yes is not to talkative when it comes to the road map for future features. The other product has just been bought by a major player in this field wich provides some assurance of continuity as well. At the same time I'm always a bit weary for big players, they tend to forget the little guys like me.

My coworker is pushing for the competitors product and I'm having trouble comming up with reasons to stick with codecharge studio other then the fact that I know codecharge studio and realy like it. I've been working with codecharge and codecharge studio ever since it arived on the market and ......maybe there's some emotional atachment as well :-)

Ron
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Benjamin Krajmalnik
Posted: 10/27/2006, 1:54 PM


"RonB" <RonB@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
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> -editable dropdowns. Again as a wizard not hand coded

YOu are referring to an analogous of a Drop Down Combo control.

Planetkeks has one which is free. Javascript code - very asy to implement.

>
> - Auto complete textfield. For the ever so long dropdowns or multi line
> menu's.
> I now create them by using I frames holding the result set and a form
> above that
> reacting on key up triggers reloading the result page in the Iframe with
> the
> search string typed so far.
>

Well, this is an applicatio design issue to some extent.
If I have a selectio, and the data set can be very large, I do a lookup in a
popu window instead of a drpdown.
Scrolling through a few hundred dropdowns is ludicrous - and it slows the
hech out of the UI.

>

As for Ajax - I am currently doing a lot of things with Ajax.
While there are things for hich I love Ajax, I think that a balance between
CCS current teplate driven presentation layer and Ajax is preferable to 100%
Ajax.

RonB

Posts: 228
Posted: 10/27/2006, 1:58 PM

I know there are solutions out there. The thing is I started working with codecharge becuase I wanted a rad tool so I wouldn't need to code so much by hand. So if codecharge can do it for me it should. I've seen the example in the ccs example pack but...again...I'd like to see it as part of codechard, a wizard so I do not have to code the thing over and over again.

Ron
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peterr


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Posted: 10/27/2006, 2:14 PM

A wish is a wish and no point in disputing them, although specific priorties and implementation details may be a matter of opinion.
I only recommend submitting each wish/suggestion separately - especially that some of them were already posted to the Wishes forum and it would be nice to see how many people are interested in a particular feature, rather than sifting through and trying to match similar requests.

And it's also good to see only a short summary list of things that could be still added into CCS. This makes CCS look quite complete especially when comparing to initial version 1.0 and other products!

Thank you.
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RonB

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Posted: 10/27/2006, 2:35 PM

You are very right Peter. I think CCS is a very complete product. I only just found out the horizontal grid will be in the next release!! Great!!

I think some work should be done in the area of ease of use as I described. The example pack has some very nice tips and tricks wich should find there way in to CCS as a standard feature, wizard driven. I'ts those kind of features that make the product stand out and moves the software from trend follower to trend setter.

That's why I am so anxious to hear what ideas the company has for the future. Not as promisses of future features but as a general idea of where the software will be going. My coworker is at the moment pushing for the other product mainly because of the features that this product offers as integrated features instead of examples of how to code them by hand.

As I said the template driven feature of CCS is a big plus for me because it keeps the code managable and nicely ordered wich I prefer.

We see our workload rising at the moment so every corner cut by code generated by the software saves time. That's why we went with codecharge and CCS when it arived. As we program more and more webapplications for our employer features like extended form validation, multiple image uploads with resize, dependend listboxes etc are required more and more simply because more people are using our applications and the knowledge level of the end user is dropping. They become less specialised applications and more general use applications wich demand an easy user interface and a greater need of input validation to prevent errors in input.

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peterr


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Posted: 10/27/2006, 3:06 PM

Ron,

Quote :
My coworker is at the moment pushing for the other product mainly because of the features that this product offers as integrated features instead of examples of how to code them by hand.

This is totally invalid argument. It's obvious that certain features may be different in two different products, but having examples for those non-supported features is better than having neither features nor examples. Thus your coworker is saying that the other product is worse because when they don't have a feature then they also don't provide examples on how to work around it. In other words - they may not have Web Calendar or Web Reporting feature, but they also don't have examples how to implement them by hand. And in the end they offer nothing in those areas, right?
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peterr


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Posted: 10/27/2006, 3:29 PM

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That's why I am so anxious to hear what ideas the company has for the future. Not as promisses of future features but as a general idea of where the software will be going.

I just checked into this and can say that you provide ideas and we're going where you want us to go. That's why the Wishes forum is here. Especially if many people ask for certain feature and it logically makes sense then you can be certain that that's what the company has for the future.

I only cannot comment on our own future ideas, which we also have plenty. Many features are also not implemented blindly, but we always add interesting ideas and solutions to problems. For example users asked for better style management and we've created Style Builder; users asked for CSS-based solution for alternating grid rows and we've intrroduced Component Attributes (CCS 3.1) that allow much more than that. Many solutions also cannot be predicted today because they come as new ideas that address wider needs. We also have global visions that go beyond simple feature implementation, but again, those are confidential.

Sorry I cannot give you too many straight answers, but the first part of my answer is quite realistic - we all imagine that a complete product should have all commonly requested and needed features, therefore you are the driver :-)
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RonB

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Posted: 10/28/2006, 3:29 AM

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they may not have Web Calendar or Web Reporting feature, but they also don't have examples how to implement them by hand. And in the end they offer nothing in those areas, right?

True. I wasn't critical of the examples, they are great and i have used many of them in my products.

Quote :
we all imagine that a complete product should have all commonly requested and needed features, therefore you are the driver

That's great to hear and it's why I will be pushing to stick with CCS. I can't think of using anything else were our webapplications are concerned. CCS has the edge there for sure. I think my coworker will keep pushing to use the other product for our companies website. I think that's ok. I can see why the dreamweaver integration is so important to him in that area. For our companies webapplications(mainly on our intranet) I think we might stick with CCS. The webreporting feature of CCS is something I will not do without and as you said. The other product offers no such thing.

Keep up the good work and thank you for sharing your thoughts and ideas. Means a lot and it has given me some ammo to use ;-)

Ron

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Claudio Morinico
Posted: 10/30/2006, 5:16 AM

El dia Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:14:48 -0700, peterr (peterr@forum.codecharge)
dijo...
> A wish is a wish and no point in disputing them, although specific priorties and
> implementation details may be a question of opinion.
> I only recommend submitting each wish/suggestion separately - especially that
> some of them were already posted to the Wishes forum and it would be nice to
> see how many people are interested in a particular feature, rather than sifting
> through and trying to match similar requests.
>
> And it's also good to see only a short summary list of things that could be
> still added into CCS. This makes CCS look quite complete especially when
> comparing to initial version 1.0 and other products!
>
> Thank you.
> _________________
> Peter R.
> YesSoftware Forums Moderator
> For product support please visit http://support.yessoftware.com
> ---------------------------------------
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> http://forums.codecharge.com/
>
>

Peter, it would be nice to have a web page on Yes web site for the
wishes, so customers could see a list of wishes and vote them or create
new ones in case it does not exist. This would be easier than searching
tons of messages to see if our wish was already asked.

Also it would be nice to add an assigned priority to know how Yes
prioritized our wish. That would provide a 'kind of' automatic road map
for knowing what is Yes up to.

Best regards.

--
Claudio Morinico,
Montevideo - Uruguay.
Ozum

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Posted: 10/30/2006, 5:27 AM

Yes, voting would be great.
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marcwolf


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Posted: 10/30/2006, 4:37 PM

Hmm.. A Vote with a PayPal payment link.. :-D :-D

If you really really need it then add a little cash.

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Posted: 10/30/2006, 4:39 PM

MarcWolf
Great idea, second the voting option and yours too.
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