person747
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| Posted: 11/26/2006, 10:45 AM |
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Hi
I' m wondering it there the way to be able to work ( load in CCS, modify and publish ) with non CCS-based ASP projects, I mean projects which were created previously in Dreamweiver, ASPMaker, or manually from the scratch....
It seems to me there is no way , unfortunatelly .... tell me that I'm wrong ;)
thenks
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Edd
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| Posted: 11/26/2006, 1:56 PM |
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Yes and No - look at the project explorer and at the bottom there is 2 tabs - one for pages and one for files - you can access them as files. I believe it will publish the files as long as they conform to the projects publishing masks.
The problem is that CCS separates the Presentation and Business layers (which is extremely important) the other products do not.
The best option is to redo them in CCS, it will not take you as long as you think.
Edd
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person747
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| Posted: 11/26/2006, 3:41 PM |
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Thanks Edd for your concern .
I'm in process of trying CCS before buying ...
I feel like you are pro in ASP field....
Let me ask you Edd, do you use CCS for your projects ?
How do you find it ... really helpful .... reduce development time ?
Is there much code to correct manually still ?
How would you compare CCS to ... let say Visual Studio , Dreamweaver, ASP Maker
I would really appreciate your opinion .
thank you in advance
Serge
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JayEdgar
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| Posted: 11/27/2006, 8:49 AM |
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I have coded for years in ASP and PHP. I've been using CCS for less than a year, and am now able to create pages in minutes that would have taken me days.
I think that speaks volumes.
Jay
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Edd
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| Posted: 11/27/2006, 1:26 PM |
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Quote :Let me ask you Edd, do you use CCS for your projects ?
Yes I have now extended the framework so it can handle of my larger clients who have in excess of 3000 users. Or I can scale it down for a small package system and just use the CCS base framework.
Quote :How do you find it ... really helpful .... reduce development time ?
My prior development tool (in MS Windows) cost me over $3,000 USD and gave me so much grief that I swore that the next tool I would use would be open to be modified, where necessary - it also had to have a growth path - ASP to .Net or whatever so I could protect my business rules. In all those areas CCS has been magnificent .
The reduction of development time is huge. My experience has shown me that 80% of all projects are dumb maintenance screens for support tables. CCS will do all of those in almost a blink of an eye, leaving you to concentrate on the important stuff.
Quote :Is there much code to correct manually still ?
Hard on to quantify, at the presentation level 90% of my screens are modified from CCS's template (my preference in layout), example my search forms have a different colored banner to their grids so people know it is a search form.
In the coding level I push the boundaries a bit to make it easy for my users to understand their screens so I utilise Javascript, Ajax and some 3rd party stuff all over the place to make it easy for them to use. So again my choice CCS is happy to accommodate me.
Quote :How would you compare CCS to ... let say Visual Studio , Dreamweaver, ASP Maker
My perspective is quite old on the above so I am happy to be corrected on my observations.
ASP Maker - I rejected it as it didn't have a full toolset and it "looked" cheap to my clients.
Dreamweaver - Loved the design aspects of the product - best program for pure web based systems - I rejected it at the time as it wasn't anywhere near fast enough to build DB apps.
Visual Studio - This one I am watching closely as my clients are moving to Sharepoint - I am committed to .Net so unless CCS can fit easily into the MS Suite - then I will need to adapt. Note: watch for MS Frontpage replacement named "Expressions Web Designer" it is out on Beta and seems to be raising the bar on DB Web tools.
There are a number of other products out there who are a lot more expensive but don't offer as much. CCS seems to have a stigma about it with the corporates because it is so cheap for what it does. I have always said show me a product that is better than CCS, I will buy it (so far I haven't had to look away).
The other factor people forget about CCS is SUPPORT - they have a magnificent support team - also look at CCS 3.1 that was a free upgrade - tell me where else you would get that.
Serge it depends on what you are doing:
As consultant doing interactive forms you would be crazy not to use CCS.
As a Web Designer I would be using Dreamweaver.
My only suggestions are if you decide to use CCS:
1. Pick a database that you will always use a base. I stick with MS SQL as all my clients have it somewhere and I don't have to argue about non Microsoft technologies.
2. Pick you language PHP and ASP / ASP.Net are the safest. I think PHP is fantastic but my clients want Microsoft (hence I develop in ASP).
Give CCS some commitment of time to understand how it works and you will be singing its praises like me in less than 6 months.
Edd
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marcwolf
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| Posted: 11/27/2006, 4:59 PM |
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Hi there.
You can import an non CCS project into CCS but you have to use the file tab to see the files.
As for the usuablility - 90% of a programmers job is the Add/Modify.Delete tasks and then the specials. CCS is excellent with its wizards to getting the grunt work done, and then gives you the frameword to add it any special conditions or business rules.
I have been a projrammer for MANY years - and remember when Denali came in (ASP Beta). And I programmed in that.
I have use several other productrs but find that CCS has the flexibility to do some really nice work.. Just wish I was more of a graphic designer though.
However - with Peterr's comment re the seperation of the presentation and business logic - this is not so much of a problem as I can give one of my HTM templates to a non CCS user and get them to beautify it - leaving the CCS tags in situ.
Hope this helps.
Take Care
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person747
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| Posted: 11/28/2006, 5:24 PM |
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Thanks guys for your replies
That is exactly what I wanted to know
Thanks again !
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