imranz
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| Posted: 04/15/2002, 12:05 PM |
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OK, so everything in the CodeCharge Studio preview information and screen captures is suggesting that CodeCharge will integrate with FrontPage. Ok, that's great. But what about the actual serious web developers/designers that wouldn't be caught dead using that trash heap of a web tool called FrontPage? Will it be possible to use Dreamweaver in the same way? Anyone? Anyone?
http://www.codecharge.com/studio/
I can't imagine who might have requested this functionality. Who knows, maybe this is YesSoftware's bid at gaining Microsoft's buyout interest?
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Jon Westfall
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| Posted: 04/15/2002, 1:27 PM |
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I've heard the many groans and moans about how horrible Frontpage is. And i'm curious: What about Frontpage (and i'm talking about the most current version, Frontpage XP) makes it so horrible?
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imranz
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| Posted: 04/15/2002, 1:44 PM |
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FrontPage has messy, heavier than necessary code; provides minimal functionality unless you plan on using FrontPage extensions which are heavily proprietary and will only work on FrontPage configured web servers; poor interface and functionality (unless you really like the Microsoft Word interface); and again, just because it's really prevalant in the history of FrontPage, messy, heavier than necessary code. Oh, and it often garbles custom code unless you stay in the text mode. And if you do that ALL the time, you might as well use notepad ;)
And it seems that Microsoft had so much trouble getting anybody to buy it as they were trying to sell it separately for $99+, they decided to lump it in free with the latest versions of Microsoft Office. That's the biggest hint right there that it's not a serious tool.
Dreamweaver seems to be the only tool that designers and developers both seem to accept as a meeting ground. Developers like the code and the non-mangling of code unlike FrontPage, and designers like the interface and far superior design-development-productivity enhancing capabilities.
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Brent
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| Posted: 04/15/2002, 1:54 PM |
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imranz,
Do you prefer Dreamweaver over Net Objects Fusion? We have both products
but I have never used Dreamweaver so there will be a learning curve. I'd like
to know if it is going to be worth the effort. TIA
CC: BTW, will CC Studio support both Dreamweaver and Net Objects Fusion?
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Peter
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| Posted: 04/15/2002, 2:24 PM |
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Guys(gulls) stop wining!
The new FrontPage XP is almost as good as DW4 (not UD4) and perhaps better in many instances. It is the most used application by the small business sector and the government. Yes it will generate heavy code but only if you let it.
As for NOFusion_MX, it has also a few shortcommings. Namely, its generation of complex html tables is quite difficult to edit, even in DW4.
All of the CC-Studio integration is via plug-ins so if you do not like FP of Fusion than do not use them.
-- That's my nickel worth of opinion on the subject! And you may disagree all you want.
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CodeCharge Support
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| Posted: 04/15/2002, 2:24 PM |
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- CodeCharge 2.0 is being enhanced to work with NetObjects Fusion.
Additional features are also being added to CodeCharge 2.0.
- CodeCharge Studio will have its own, basic HTML designer and editor,
similar to the one in Visual Studio.
- CodeCharge Studio will optionally install itself as a plug-in for MS
FrontPage.
- CodeCharge Studio will not be integrated with DreamWeaver any time soon
due to technical reasons.
However, CodeCharge Studio will allow you to use any web editor to modify
web pages externally, just like you can do with CodeCharge 2.0. However, the
key difference is that CodeCharge Studio comes with a basic web editor and
saves your pages in the form of standard .html files (in addition to .ccs
files). The benefit is that you can open those saved pages with any web
editor, including DreamWeaver, and you can modify your pages at any time,
before or after generating the code. Once you edit your .html with
CodeCharge Studio or FrontPage or DreamWeaver or any other web editor, the
generated .html will be the same as the one you edited prior to generation.
This new approach will give you much greater flexibility than previously,
and we expect that within days you will master the process of utilizing
CodeCharge Studio and DreamWeaver together.
We believe that you will be impressed with what you will see even if you use
only DreamWeaver for web design.
Regards,
CodeCharge Support
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chadastrophic
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| Posted: 04/15/2002, 3:28 PM |
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Front Page is not a developers tool. Its for the front desk secretary who some how got stuck updating the static phone list.
It also rewrites source code without telling you, and you cant shut off that hook likeyou can in dreamweaver
It also is by microsoft who encourages the use of those really messed up things called FrontPage Extensions. Trust me, after being webmaster for 7 years, I know which tools are worth using.
And Dreamweaver with CodeCharge is all you need.
Please folks at CodeCharge/YesSoftware, if you are looking for someone to partner with, go with macromedia, not microsoft. Microsoft will just mess up your awesome tool like they did content management server.
Enough said, Macromedia Rules for web development. Let microsoft stick to servers and client software.
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imranz
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| Posted: 04/15/2002, 4:33 PM |
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3 cheers to CodeCharge for chiming in as they always do with some good information. I'm eagerly awaiting what's in store...
As far as Net Objects Fusion, I don't know what the current version is, but in using it in the past I found the code that it generatee was very difficult to edit outside of Net Objects, and often more wordy than it needed to be. I've encountered some people that do like it, but I just never bought into it. In fact, I would say that what I'd be tempted to do with a Net Objects coded page is drop it into Dreamweaver and apply the Source Code Cleaning filter and the Source Formatting filter, and then just edit the pages in Dreamweaver.
Having tried a variety of tools including Allaire's Cold Fusion and HomeSite, Microsoft's Visual Studio and FrontPage, a little of Net Objects Fusion, and several other little apps here and there, and having been a Web Designer and a Web Programmer, I've been happiest with Dreamweaver. If you can't decide which route to go, and it's all the same to you, invest time in using Dreamweaver. Macromedia has a LONG history of making fairly easy to use yet extremely powerful software. Try it out. You will NOT be disappointed.
Also, as an added funny thing, Dreamweaver actually has a filter that is specially made to filter out Microsoft rubbish code that is generated with the Office apps when you save as HTML. You can even use this to repair crappy Front Page code....
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