smart
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 7:49 AM |
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HI for all
i will say some thing and i hope u understand my mind
I am a registered user with a professional V
my problem the activation code
YES it is big problem
i think in my option when we pay for codecharge we will have the program
it will be for us.
cos we pay 4 it
and I think that I am free with my PC
May be I like to make a format my hard every 1 week
I will have the activation code problem
That is not fair
See all programs on the net when u have the serial no
It will work with u ON all PC.
And at times
See
Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0
Photoshop 7
Dreamwaver 4
All program on the net
You will have to activation for one time!!!
Put your program
I am sorry
but hope you find a good thing to solve this problem
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DjOldenbrg
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 8:04 AM |
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I personally disagree with your comments "Smart". You listed a bunch of software, and every one of those products you listed can be found on almost every WAREZ board around the world.
CodeCharge is simply protecting their investment and making sure their product doesn't end up on a Warez distribution site. This also keeps the costs down for the end user. If their sales were reduced 10+ fold or better because people could easily get the software off of a warez site, they would have to increase their price to almost $3000 to cover the same costs that we now get for under $300.
HATS OFF TO CODECHARGE!
Dj
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feha
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 8:34 AM |
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I agree with You and please keep the protection tight...
If Yes Software protects their product we may get a good quality software at affordable price...
feha
(www.vision.to)
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imranz
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 10:11 AM |
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Of course, there is also the unwritten forethought that all of those aforementioned vendors specifically keep their security loose to obtain wider distribution of their product. Same reason IBM allowed cloning while Apple didn't, and look where we are with that now...
It's not so black & white. Yes, it is illegal to sell pirated software, and it is illegal to use pirated software for commercial purposes. But those industry bigwigs such as Adobe, Microsoft and Macromedia know full well that when an individual grabs and learns their good products, when it's time for commercial gain or when they go work for a company, the recommendation they will make to that organization for software purchase is the software they know.
It does seem that most small software companies do start out with stricter policing of their installs. Eventually, it drops off though. It's all intentional and very strategic.
Like Bill Gates donating millions upon millions of dollars worth of computers to education, with Windows installed. Because that's the OS they will learn and use in the real world. Very smart, that Bill Gates, from a business perspective.
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Peter
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 10:41 AM |
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If it is invonvenient to do the activation, thaen I suggest a solution.
You could get a program like "DriveImage" and back up your hard drive to a CD, or other hard drive. Then you can restore that image without the need for activation. BTW, you can restore just 1 (one) application from the back-up.
Also, you should keep your source/data files on another drive or partition.
This method keeps one honest and without the inconvenience of "activations".
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SMART
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 11:04 AM |
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HI 4 ALL
FOR THE SECURITY I AM TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
BET I THINK CODE CHARGE HAVE SOME HARDWARE SOLUTION
LIKE THIS:
BUT I TOLD YOU THAT I MADE A FORMAT FOR C:\ ONE TIME ON THE WEEK. !!!!!
I THINK I AM FREE TO DO THAT.
I WILL MAKE THE ACIERATION.
CODECHARGE WILL HAVE MY HARD NUMBER AND CREPT IT IN THE SERIAL NUMBER .
THE USER CAN HAVE JUST 4 NUMBERS
THAT MEAN HE WILL BE ABLE TO RUN THE CODE CHARGE ON 4
PCs
1- HOME PC
2- MY PORTABLE
3- WORK PC
4- THIS IS FOR FREE
IN THIS CASE I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD IDEA
WE CAN NOT STOP THE CRACKER BUT MY OPTION TO MAKE IT MORE
REASONABLE.
SO IF WE LOOK TO MY OPTION WE WILL SEE THE EQUITY FOR CODECHARGE AND FOR USERS
SO THE LINE OF THE ACTION IS:
1- USER WILL MAKE A REGISTRATION
2- CODE CHARGE WILL HAVE THE
( PROCESSOR – SIM , DIM RAM ) NUMBER
SOME THING WILL BE FOR ONE PC AND USER CAN REMOVE IT.
AND IT WILL BE UNDER ENCODING ALGORITHM.
IN THIS CASE I THINK NO ONE WILL SELL HIS RAM FOR ONE USER AND ONE CODECHARGE LESSENS.
IF WE HAVE THE RAME NUMBER IT WILL BE GOOD THING
FOR U FOR ME AND FOR ALL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT
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Steve F.
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 11:05 AM |
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"Like Bill Gates donating millions upon millions of dollars worth of computers to education, with Windows installed. Because that's the OS they will learn and use in the real world. Very smart, that Bill Gates, from a business perspective."
So True...
But will somebody please tell me how smart Maine Gov. Angus King is by buying every Seventh Grader in the state a shiny new Macintosh laptop? Makes me sick, sorry to get off-topic...
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smart
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 11:11 AM |
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can u tell me what i have to do for :
(you can restore just 1 (one) application from the back-up.)
and what about the regedit file?
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Brent
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 1:03 PM |
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Mr. Smart,
>>May be I like to make a format my hard every 1 week
>>I will have the activation code problem
Why are you formatting your hard disk every week? Or are you just trying to
think up problems that you don't really have in order to justify no copy protection?
If you are really formatting your hard disk every week, then have you considered
using tape backup? Or archiving the software to another drive with something
like CleanSweep? Or copying your C: drive to another hard disk? Or backing up
to CD-ROM?
There are plenty of ways to avoid re-installing the software. Pick one.
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SMART
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 1:44 PM |
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OK LOOK
I TOLD U
YES I DO THAT
AND RELY FORMAT MY HARD DISK
OK LET ME KNOE WHAT I HAB=VE TO BACK UP (ONE SOFT WARE )
AND IF I FORMAT MY HARD DISK I WILL NEVER HAVE THIS PROBLEM
BUT IN LAST RE THAT I POST IT HEAR I THINK I PUT A GOOD POINTS.
HOPE TO SEE IT.
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Williams
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 1:49 PM |
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>> i think in my option when we pay for codecharge we will have the program
>> it will be for us.
>> cos we pay 4 it
If you bothered to read the license agreement before you made the purchase, you would notice that you buy A LICENSE to use the software and NOT the software itself. Like most other software, CodeCharge remains the intellectual property of YesSoftware and it is at their discreetion to decide how the software is to be used.
If you find this unacceptable, you should have clicked on the 'No' button during the installation process in the part where you have to agree to the license agreement.
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smart
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 2:13 PM |
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hi Williams :)
thank u for that but dont be so hard
i told u that i agree .
but if i like to move to another PC
or format or any thing
i will have the problem
in your mind wher the problem if codecharge make the secrecy by the hard ware ?
in my option this is more usefull
and u can NOT say if that don that i will sill the progam
i will use it jus me !!!
cose the code that codecharge sent to me have my ram or hard NO.
and no one can put the NO. on a new RAM
let us be more logical.
and i think this is the best way :)
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smart
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 2:20 PM |
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I think that is good
but this is for one PC
but all of us have more than one pc
look...
i know that i have just 2 pc
1- main pc
2- WORK pc
and I all ready have this problem
so we have to find any way to let user and codecharge have
the best.
any thing to let the same user work with code charge on any PC
look the same user
may be we have to make a fingerprint analyzer :D
Please i think i have no error when i ask for my right to work on
any pc on the fly with my lovly program codecharge.
and rely thanks for all .
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smart
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 2:20 PM |
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I think that is good
but this is for one PC
but all of us have more than one pc
look...
i know that i have just 2 pc
1- main pc
2- WORK pc
and I all ready have this problem
so we have to find any way to let user and codecharge have
the best.
any thing to let the same user work with code charge on any PC
look the same user
may be we have to make a fingerprint analyzer :D
Please i think i have no error when i ask for my right to work on
any pc on the fly with my lovly program codecharge.
and rely thanks for all .
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D.G
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 2:20 PM |
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hi 4 all
I think mr.smart say a good thing
100%
im my mind ..
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Brent
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 2:36 PM |
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Mr. Smart,
Ok, lets see if we can find a solution for you. Since you are formatting
your hard disk every week, and undoubtedly re-installing windows and all other
programs, this is quite a bit of work. I know some people do this if the machine
is part of a user group or a public machine. They need to restore it to a pristine
state every now and then. So Mr. Smart may have a legitimate excuse for re-installing
the software so often.
My recommendation is to get something like DriveImage or Norton Ghost. If
you are reformatting your drive 52 times a year, these products will more than
pay for itself. It works out to be around $3 per week! This will eliminate the
need to re-install Windows every week.
PC World has a review: http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/idg2.nsf/AllPCW/C28AD7285...oryName=Reviews
We have both products and DriveImage is the easiest to use. Norton Ghost is also
included in System Works Pro.
After reformatting your hard disk and re-installing all your software, you
will use either of these products to make a backup of your drive(s), preferably
to CD-ROM because then you can have an offsite backup for security reasons. You
can also back it up to another hard disk.
Then after a week, simply restore the image and your hard disk is the same
as it was before. This is the simplist and easiest way I know of to do it. I hope
this helps.
Brent
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Andrew B
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 7:28 PM |
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Smart, I think there way a way to get a key via mail or something like that. Write to CC support and see. I am pretty sure that they had an 'offline' option when I installed, though I didn't use it.
To brent : Well, he's already installed, so he is going to have that problem right away, isn't he?
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light man
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 9:06 PM |
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up
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smart
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 9:07 PM |
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I think all that is ok
and the back up idea is rely nice but stell have a problem for my work pc.
but i like to say that the user have all right to use codecharge on any pc
please NOTE
the same user
and it have to be on the fly.
have i any error in this thinking?
if yes
please correct me.
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Sanddy
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| Posted: 04/18/2002, 10:27 PM |
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One thing I know is that CC license does not allow you to install on multiple machines, I guess only 2 machines are allowed at a time .. and I think this makes sense !! Since you see, second to piracy, *casual copying* is the biggest problem! How can YesSoftware know the multiple machines you suggest as your are actually yours ??? Plus I am sure you will agree at the price CodeCharge sells its a real steal !!!! If ppl can buy a copy of windows and office for every PC, why can't you buy CC ???
As for your *novel* hardware solution .. PC protection is a lot more than that.. not all hardware is the same! I would like CC team to concentrate on adding more features to CC and CCS rather than trying to ensure that their protection works on all available hardware ;)...Also emulators can easily be developed that *patch* the CC hardware probing algorithm .... and for ppl on the move (with laptops) hardware protection is the worst thing to happen ... I won't go on ..just ask ppl you have tried using Windows XP ... it uses Online Activation with hardware protection!
Lastly, how much time does it take anyway to activate your copy ??? I sit on an crappy 28.8K modem.. I am sure there can be nothing worst than that... then too it hardly takes me few seconds! And if you have the patience to format and re-install every week .. I am dam sure you have the patience to wait a few seconds for activation....
Personally I find this issue not wort the time you are spending cribbing ;)
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smart
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| Posted: 04/19/2002, 12:27 PM |
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Thank you mr.Sanddy
but i ame not crazy at all  (
i told u what i think .
is thatmake me crazy !!!
i said the activation is ok for me
but u can not activation ur copy at all more than one time in on month
i know that the activation is fast by net but on time !!!
for XP i dont like it at all
but for what u say about windows
>>ppl can buy a copy of windows and office for every PC
this is on the company
but not at all on the HOME
i have 4 pcs in my home and one copy of win 98
and i asked microsoft about that and thay sied no problem about that if you r not a company.
but cc think that i am a big company.
i am just one man
but what i like to say that cc make it more hard
i am a simpil user and i like to share my idea with u
and stell say...:)
have my mouse :) no. and put it with the activation code :)
so the mouse can use it just one man :))
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Brent
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| Posted: 04/19/2002, 12:44 PM |
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To: Andrew
>>Well, he's already installed, so he is going to have that problem right away, isn't he?
Correct. I believe CC allows a re-install every 2 weeks if memory serves me correctly.
To: Mr. Smart
Something else just occurred to me. If you want to reset all your files back
to the way they were say a week ago, why not try something like GoBack from
Roxio? (MS tried something like this but wasn't a half-hearted attempt that isn't
very reliable.) Once GoBack is installed, it will track all the changes done on
the computer, and you can go back any date or time, say last Monday at 8:00AM. So rather than
making an image of your drive onto CD-ROM or another drive, which is a bit of
manual labor, GoBack can revert back to last week using a couple of mouse clicks.
You will need enough free disk space to record all the changes and a fast enough CPU
so that all the monitoring won't slow you down. But I think it is the simplist
solution around. They do have a 30 day preview version you can try out for free.
Now what's nice about this product is, you can go back 2 weeks, use the computer,
then jump ahead to yesterday or even today. So the next time your reformat your
hard disk and re-install windows and all your other software, install GoBack
and you will be able to go back to this pristine machine any time you like.
It is available from http://www.roxio.com/en/products/goback/index.jhtml
and it is $49.95. They currently have a $20 rebate which brings the price down to
$29.95.
Brent
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TonyC
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| Posted: 04/19/2002, 6:43 PM |
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Hello all,
Got a chance to read this thread while awaiting studio. Software piracy is a big thing. At my company we deal with hackers and security all the time. There are already several hacks out there that stop codecharge from phoning home. And they do work. Along with keygens. Now mind you I am a paying customer and will always continue to be. The phone home is a problem and one even I am contending with when I'm with laptop and traveling. But nothing will stop hackers from getting your code. The best security that codecharge has implimented is the fair price for thier software and I commend them on that. That is why I work with them and not other vendors.
PS: Please don't get to attached to Microsoft. Let PHP/Codecharge be MS free.
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