ITGL72
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| Posted: 04/20/2002, 8:38 PM |
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Hi Everyone - I'm currently evaluating the code charge application. I'm mainly a cold fusion programmer, and not a very good one at that! But I enjoy small projects where I get to work with website databases type works. CF was just what I picked up at the time.
Anyway, the reason I looked at it was because I was looking to get more into ASP. Many years ago when I first started with web pages I used front page as my first program for web design. I actually learned the HTML code by using front page. Since then I no longer use front page but enjoyed what it did for me at the time.
I was hoping code charge could possibly point me in the right direction as far as coding like FrontPage did for me with HTML.
However, it seems to me, from the simple login screens (as my example) I have made in the past that when I made a simple login screen in code charge there was a lot more code. It seems like there was a heck of lot more lines of gobley-gook then there needed to be in order to make a certain web page dance.
To me it would look like a beast to trouble shoot later if something went wrong or changed. I don't just want the program to make the page, I want to be able to look at the code and understand it for future use and possible troubleshooting.
Please share your comments on this as I am interested to hear what the community has to say.
Sincerely,
George Lemos
MCSA, MCSE
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Jon Westfall
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| Posted: 04/21/2002, 12:13 AM |
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George,
I agree with you that the code can seem a bit wordy and beasty to troubleshoot, but perhaps their lies your learning opprotunity: try reading the code and cleaning it up - that way you'll find what is essential and what is more stylistic.
Just my 2 cents.
Jon.
P.S. Nice to see another MCSE around here. How was 70-218 compared to 70-216?
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ITGL72
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| Posted: 04/21/2002, 10:24 AM |
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70-218 was much easier then 70-216. That was my lowest score of all exams, 700. It was a tough one. 218 was a put together of 210,215,216, and 217 in my opinion and more general. Where as 216 was just all about 216.
Took me 11 months to take 7 exams, and I am continually learning and gaing experience. THERES A LOT OF POOP TO KNOW! Thank goodness for reference books and websites!
I actually put up a knowledge base oin my websites for my personal use so that when I do something, or find something I may use in the future I dont have to go to a bookmarked site. I take the article, submit it to my DB via the web and have it handy for me wherever I go. Wish I started this 11 months ago!
Sincerely,
George Lemos
MCSA, MCSE
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Jon Westfall
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| Posted: 04/21/2002, 11:44 AM |
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Yea, I'm considering taking 218 to grab MCSA. I killed myself last summer and got MCSE (even one of those fancy gold cards), and ya know what it got me? A job teaching A+ certification! But, eventually i'll get that MCT.
Better get back to codecharge before these developer types find two engineers in their midst!
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Brent
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| Posted: 04/22/2002, 12:03 PM |
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>>Better get back to codecharge before these developer types find two engineers in their midst!
So what time does the train leave?? <vbg>
The amount of code generated by CC isn't that bad. You would have to handcode
a similar amount if you were programming ASP or PHP by hand. It all becomes
clear once you see how it operates. It may seem wordy at first, but all of
it is necessary.
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Steve
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| Posted: 04/22/2002, 1:02 PM |
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Very interesting comments George.
I've been using CC for just over a year now, and honestly; for the most part it has been one of better choices personally when it comes to development tools. I have made way too many stupid choices in the past. There are also times where I want to change a specific piece of code, but have to remember where 'exactly' it was in CodeCharge to change it. This could be a "Before Show", "Before Insert", or "Custom Show". Seems easy, but when you have been editing 20 pages in the list, it can: 1.) Seem like a big rat's nest 2.) Seem like a whole lot o' code. Honestly, it really isn't a whole lot of code, but here is where my opinion differs from yours, yet relates. "Many years ago", when I started with web pages, I learned using this program called "Pico" and debugged/viewed the results with Lynx. Slowly, things started to evolve, and soon enough other luxuries such as Internet-in-a-Box, PPP accounts and "HTML Editors" became readily available. Not to mention "Internet Explorer". Sounds funny, but it's true.
In my situation, when I can't quite remember where I called a certain function, I go back to my roots. I login to my account via ssh, and just edit the damn thing in Pico (or Vi). So where am I going with this? Good question. Basically what I am trying to say is that everybody has learned a certain way based on what was available at the time. You opened up a very interesting can of worms that simply got my wheels turning. It also got me anxious for the CC Studio beta.
On that note, I am now very interested to hear what people in this community used a their first "real" development tool. Notepad, Dreamweaver, Vi. And the more I think about it, this could be very useful to the CC development team. Anyway, George, thanks for making me think on a Monday, that doesn't happen too often these days. 
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