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Just a thought...
With our collective talent could we build a CMS and share amongst the CCS community?
I do quite a bit with Joomla, but sometimes I think, "I could do that in CCS a lot quicker and better"
How about it, anyone interested?
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pbrad
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| Posted: 03/22/2008, 7:17 AM |
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I'm in. I am currently working on a basic cms site and would be happy to share what I have and enhance it with the work of others.
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| Posted: 03/22/2008, 7:45 AM |
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Count me in ...
1st question is ... which language .... or will it be possible to actually
create a CMS with CCS that could target different platforms? (i.e. PHP &
ASP.Net)
"Waspman" <Waspman@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
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> Just a thought...
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> With our collective talent could we build a CMS and share amongst the CCS
> community?
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> I do quite a bit with Joomla, but sometimes I think, "I could do that in
> CCS a
> lot quicker and better"
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> How about it, anyone interested?
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pbrad
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| Posted: 03/22/2008, 9:03 AM |
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Good point on the language. Perhaps we can try to stay within core code as much as possible and where we add custom code, we try as much as possible to create multi-language versions of the code to make it as universally useable as possible. My language of choice is php.
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| Posted: 03/22/2008, 11:28 AM |
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I would be interested in the php side !
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| Posted: 03/22/2008, 5:01 PM |
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Of course, internationalized. :)
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Waspman
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| Posted: 03/23/2008, 5:48 AM |
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Would it be possible to build a core module with no custom scipt. Then each language can have a development team ( ). We all contribute to the universal elements such as concepts, structure and visuals.
We could set up a forum just for the CMS project?
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pbrad
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| Posted: 03/23/2008, 10:18 AM |
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I agree, so how do we get started?
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Waspman
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| Posted: 03/24/2008, 2:54 AM |
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errr!
Normally I'd outline my requirements as a written doc: the objectives and aims, any issues and considerations, no code stuff yet, but I'm not sure I have the best working methodology.
Anyroad, getting a brief established would be a good place to start. If you like I can set up a forum on one of my servers and we can start a thread to build the brief. Then take it from there.
What do ya think?
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pbrad
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| Posted: 03/24/2008, 5:19 AM |
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Sounds good. If you want to go ahead and setup the forum we can get a dialogue going to spec out some of the general requirements and development methodology to build the brief.
Before buying Codecharge I had been playing around with DotNetNuke and had built a client site using it but ending up deciding that I wanted a more 'built from the ground up' solution.
Anyway, in order to learn and develop DotNetNuke I ended up getting an account at ihostasp.net because neither of my servers supported mssql and dotnetnuke requires it. (One of the reasons that I didn't end up going that route). That server account is a virtual dedicated server that is not being used at all right now and I was going to let the account lapse but I would be willing to extend it another six months for this project if everyone is interested. That would give us a test platform that supports asp and php plus MySQL and mssql and ms access that would not put any of our servers at risk. If you like, we could host the forum there too, it doesn't matter to me. We can set up individual user accounts for the people interested in being involved in this project.
Let me know if you guys are interested and I will set up a domain.
cheers,
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Waspman
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| Posted: 03/24/2008, 6:40 AM |
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OK Pete, (good man - you're obviously up for this )
Set up the domain and stick Snitz or whatever on it and we can make a start...
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pbrad
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| Posted: 03/24/2008, 7:07 AM |
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Hi,
I'd like to focus a larger portion of my business on developing CMS/Intranet solutions so yes, I do have a vested interest here. My plan is to develop a modular package which starts with basic cms capabilities (which I have already developed for my first Codecharge project) and then develop a shopping list of available modules which can extend the capabilities of the site. Once I get the domain and forum setup(as I recall, the 'Helm' control panel offers several forum applications including phpbb which I have used in the past), I will post a thread with my initial module concepts etc..
Hopefully, we can get quite a few users interested and then we can share the code with contributors. I will set everything up and get back to this forum later today or tomorrow.
Cheers,
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pbrad
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| Posted: 03/24/2008, 8:16 AM |
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Ok guys,
I have stepped up to the plate, who else is in? I have registered and setup a new domain for this project. All users are welcome to participate in the development and sharing of the results.
The new forum for this project can be accessed at http://www.codechargecms.com/forum. Please feel free to visit and register/post.
Cheers,
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| Posted: 03/24/2008, 9:43 AM |
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The only hard part trying to customize location of menuy or Adds or Info,etc
Galery Image, News , News with Coments, Gallery with coments, text Link, Image Link, etc
is tha CodeCharge dont allow Dynamic modification of the the INCLUDE object part
so the coding is a pain or has to be a full custom and wont be portable to others Language
check: as a example:
http://www.SolucionDigital.com
http://www.ATT.com.do
http://www.Bebe.com.do
http://www.XunriseGroup.com
etc
also the ATT.com.do has module to read RSS
i dont know if using PHP is posible to change dynamicly the Include code.
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pbrad
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| Posted: 03/24/2008, 9:53 AM |
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I'm thinking that we create a sub-project for each primary language (asp and php at least) and provide a working example for each with access to the project code and relevant database. We can discuss the details on the new forum. (www.codechargecms.com/forum)
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Waspman
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| Posted: 03/24/2008, 11:52 AM |
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Quote Oper:
The only hard part trying to customize location of menuy or Adds or Info,etc
Galery Image, News , News with Coments, Gallery with coments, text Link, Image Link, etc
is tha CodeCharge dont allow Dynamic modification of the the INCLUDE object part
so the coding is a pain or has to be a full custom and wont be portable to others Language
check: as a example:
http://www.SolucionDigital.comhttp://www.ATT.com.dohttp://www.Bebe.com.dohttp://www.XunriseGroup.com
etc
also the ATT.com.do has module to read RSS
i dont know if using PHP is posible to change dynamicly the Include code.
What? (we need you man)
Can't we just do what Joomla does with it's templates and let people change the include/positions in the index page, or am I missing something?
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| Posted: 03/24/2008, 5:01 PM |
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yes waspman its posible since we do that as you can see on all the sample menu are differnt and differtn position, etc but since Codecharge dont allow Dynamicly change of the include part some custom will be really hard.
I have worked with joomla a lot with Soop Portal (for me one of the best and easy)
check http://www.GlobalDevelop.com or http://www.Informatica.com.do
Integrate a forum Module wont be hard also (but trying to doing super cutomized)
Also This one was done with the portal for reseller http://www.PremiumWebTemplate.com
with a good team you could get a good CMS project in less than 2 month
but dont focus on higend CMS (do that later)
Small CMS with the basics will work.
also focus in one language
create a good Table Design before start.
just few adviced
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 03/25/2008, 12:06 AM |
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Quote Oper:
with a good team you could get a good CMS project in less than 2 month
but dont focus on higend CMS (do that later)
2 months sounds aggressive even with a good team working full time. As a practical matter I'm wondering how much time the participants feel they will have to dedicate to this?
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Small CMS with the basics will work.
also focus in one language
create a good Table Design before start.
This is good advice. Start small and grow later if phase 1 works out.
I'm really not very familiar with CMS but my big question would be why not use an existing system like Joomla, Mambo, DotNetNuke or another of the many Open Source CMS listed here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management...source_software
rather than starting from scratch? Wouldn't it be easier to take an existing CMS and build CCS support into it?
Again I am fairly ignorant about CMS so maybe I'm missing the point!
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| Posted: 03/25/2008, 2:07 AM |
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JCC, the main reason this could be attractive is that it be native CCS files that would allow easy mods by CCStudio users, in the scripting language of their choice. If it is to be just another php CMS without that important feature, I doubt it would attract much attention. Joomla and Druple are very good and almost foolproof but not that easy to modify due to their complexity.
The simple shopping cart in the samples included with CCS is a good example, it probably spawned many specialty carts that evolved from that bare bones but easy to adapt cart.
I started working with it and turned a version into a real ecommerse tool we use in our business that processes thousands of orders a month. I doubt I would have attempted it if there had not been the basic sample to experiement with and build upon. I doubt anything is left of the original code but having a working model that allowed CCS to interact with was the key.
Same with a possible CMS, any of the existing systems are good but a comprimise for just about everyone's specific need. If Joomla for example was easy to mod using a RAD tool like CCS, both the tool and Joomla would be even more popular than they are now.
I see a lot of potential for a whole series of starter blocks that could easily be mod'ed with CCS. It could lead to a whole new market audience for YesSoftware.
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Waspman
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| Posted: 03/25/2008, 2:24 AM |
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Thanks for the advice Oper, begs a question of specification that "how much involvement should CCS have in the implementation and setup of the CMS.
Personally I've built loads of CMS style web sites and portals/intranets. One I did for Toyota had 12 web sites all using the same DB with dedicated CMS for each dealer and a master CMS for TOYOTA UK head office which also fed their Intranet/Portal.
In all the implementations I do I want to be able to control it's structure using CCS, not an online system where you get it sort of how you want it. To illustrate; I recently had to build a Blog, first stop Wordpress. Trouble is the client’s server is Windows based, WP doesn't like Windows servers. So I set one up with Joomla. I spend half a day friggin around, I couldn't get it to look right. So I built in CCS 2 - hours looks great! That's the kind of control I like. I am a designer and Visual Communicator, that's what I did my Degree in and I've lectured in Marketing and Corporate Communications. I'm drawn to CCS because I can almost get what I want (CSS still not how I'd like it).
So I'd see the CCS CMS as a project first that I could fiddle with all I liked before I published.
Jimmy; as for using Joomla.
I like CCS, I like the level of control. I've toyed with the idea of integrating CCS, but I spent almost 7 years learning CodeCharge, why not build on that?
I've implement loads of Joomla sites and 1.5 is brilliant, but I’m still in the hands of the developers and template designers. No control.
Also, I’m trying to set my work apart from my competition and justify my charges. I know content is the most important element of a site, but somehow, in my clients eyes, using OS stuff undermines my position. If the client hasn’t got much money then I use Joomla.
Stanj:
ON THE NAIL!!!!!
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| Posted: 03/25/2008, 2:59 AM |
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just seems to me like a MAJOR undertaking to create a new CMS based on CCS! I'll be very interested to see how this goes.
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| Posted: 03/25/2008, 4:06 AM |
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I agree that less is more at this point and the important thing is to decide on a project definition and methodology before we bury this thing with objections and wishlists. I think that a number of us have developed basic cms systems already with ccs and we did that because we wanted the freedom to modify and expand on what we had created. Off the shelf programs and open source projects are great but integrating them into other web applications and expanding on them is usually problematic.
This doesn't have to be a time consuming project and with a number of people participating I think that it will actually grow quite rapidly if we apply the right approach. I appreciate that most users have more experience with CCS than I do but in my first project I developed a basic multilanguage cms system for a client and it wasn't rocket science. We just need to keep this project manageable and strive to develop something that is useable and expandable within a defined methodology in a reasonable timeframe with reasonable expectations.
Can I suggest that we continue this discussion over on the dedicated forum for this project at www.codechargecms.com/forum where we can start to define this animal and discuss setting up the testing platform?
Cheers,
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| Posted: 03/27/2008, 3:48 PM |
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Just letting everyone know that we are moving forward on this project and will report back to this forum when we have something to share. If you want to be involved in the development of the cms project, please join us at http://www.codechargecms.com/forum.
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I am currently working on an integrated project and will be interested in how others are doing it.
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=79988
The above post deals with including external content. It works better than Joomla wrapper because the content is screen reader accessible without breaking out of the iframe. The Joomla wrapper module needs to be hacked to add in noframes code.
But iframes, Joomla and CCS can work together. I have modified a module extension to generate an iframe with noframes code link to an accessible page, auto-resize, progress loading gif and pre-iframe code include for something like a CCS menu to be embedded into the Joomla page.
Happy to share.
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