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maxhugen

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Posted: 03/27/2008, 5:18 AM

I'm only trialling CCS (so pls forgive me if I make some errors herein), but I admit I'm quite impressed with what I've researched and tried to date in CCS.

It does appear to me that the CCS developers looked long and hard at the MS Access IDE, which in my opinion is one of the most remarkable pieces of development software ever produced. Having built web apps in years past 'the hard way', I've often wished for an "Access for the Web" - and it looks like CCS has aimed at doing just that.

I've worked with Access since version 2, although I'd hesitate to say later versions were huge improvements, but maybe that reflects my very high opinion of version 2. Access lets relative novices build usable applications very quickly. However, it can also be used by experienced programmers to develop surprisingly complex and robust business apps, far beyond its original intended scope.

Crucially, developers could build in significant business logic and validation, but this would have been unmanageable without a method to debug the VBA code.

It has surprised me that little seems to be discussed in the forums, or the wish list, for a debugger. There seems a consensus that CCS 'doesn't need one', but given the many similarities with Access, one could perhaps say that Access doesn't need a debugger either?

Well, that's probably true enough for relatively simple applications, whether in Access or CCS, given the powerful builders and/or wizards provided. However, I'd suggest that CCS could well be restricting its appeal and target market to only 'relatively simple web apps', by not providing a decent debugger.

A debugger which can break, step through code, view the values of variables etc, would be at the top of my wish list -- way, way before anything else I've read in this wish list forum.
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Jan K. van Dalen
Posted: 03/27/2008, 5:40 AM

Max, how will a debugger work in this environment of code generation...
specially when it can do it in 10 languages (+ or -)

I think either you are missing something or I'm.

BTW, their inmotion framework code is able to be loaded into VS and then you
can debug ....

"maxhugen" <maxhugen@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
news:2247eb909388b40@news.codecharge.com...
> I'm only trialling CCS (so pls forgive me if I make some errors herein),
> but I
> admit I'm quite impressed with what I've researched and tried to date in
> CCS.
>
> It does appear to me that the CCS developers looked long and hard at the
> MS
> Access IDE, which in my opinion is one of the most remarkable pieces of
> development software ever produced. Having built web apps in years past
> 'the
> hard way', I've often wished for an "Access for the Web" - and it looks
> like CCS
> has aimed at doing just that.
>
> I've worked with Access since version 2, although I'd hesitate to say
> later
> versions were huge improvements, but that reflects my very high opinion of
> version 2. Access lets relative novices build usable applications very
> quickly.
> However, it can also be used by experienced programmers to develop
> surprisingly
> complex and robust business apps, far beyond its original intended scope.
>
> Crucially, developers could build in significant business logic and
> validation,
> but this would have been unmanageable without a method to debug the VBA
> code.
>
> It has surprised me that little seems to be discussed in the forums, or
> the
> wish list, for a debugger. There seems a consensus that CCS 'doesn't need
> one',
> but given the many similarities with Access, one could perhaps say that
> Access
> does need a debugger either?
>
> Well, that's probably true enough for relatively simple applications,
> whether
> in Access or CCS, given the powerful builders and/or wizards provided.
> However,
> I'd suggest that CCS could well be restricting its appeal and target
> market to
> only 'relatively simple web apps', by not providing a decent debugger.
>
> A debugger which can break, step through code, view the values of
> variables
> etc, would be at the top of my wish list -- way, way before anything else
> I've
> read in this wish list forum.
> ---------------------------------------
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> http://forums.codecharge.com/
>

maxhugen

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Posted: 03/27/2008, 3:17 PM

Jan, you have a point with the different languages... but considering that CCS can regenerate their code in several languages, an integrated debugger shouldn't be too hard... <g>

As for VS (Visual Studio?), that won't help if you're using PHP... and not cool to have to leave your IDE (CCS) and resort to a M$ one!
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maxhugen

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Posted: 03/31/2008, 8:28 PM

Firebug (a Firefox extension) is pretty cool for debugging Javascript... 8-)
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