whiterabbitwond
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| Posted: 06/03/2008, 10:59 AM |
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Regarding wikis, I have had great success with Deki Wiki. After reviewing many of the options out there. Similar to CCS, it allowed me to be a hero with little effort in rolling out new apps to my clients.
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Jan K. van Dalen
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| Posted: 06/03/2008, 1:37 PM |
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Can you share a link?
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> Regarding wikis, I have had great success with Deki Wiki. After reviewing
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> of the options out there. Similar to CCS, it allowed me to be a hero with
> little effort in rolling out new apps to my clients.
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peterr
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| Posted: 06/05/2008, 1:26 PM |
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Quote wkempees:
@peterr,
Both latests posts.
Thanks for informing us.
Both the update and the suprise, trigger my imagination, can't wait.
As to Inmotion, it would be interresting to know, perhaps in a separate thread, how this cooperation started, how it was realized and what next to expect. Who did what.
Upon birth of the InMotion option, I immediatly thought of the Zend Framework and even (Ruby) Rails.
Please accept my respect as to being the builders of the tools we use in building the tools our customers use as tools!
Also a thorough well documented setup of both development as well as deployment document as to CCS InMotion, would get me started at that technology too, based on your enthusiasm.
Walter
Hey Walter,
Good question(s) 
The scheduled CCS update will only contain basic fixes for now, therefore this project is not as interesting as the planned surprise
The new CCS update was adjusted again on Tuesday and had to go back to testing, but I expect its release tomorrow.
As for InMotion and related partnerships, etc. - I prefer not to talk about those out of respect to all parties involved, as I don't know enough to properly describe such business relationships. It may be easier to start with some technical questions and hopefully slowly involve our partners.
And the fact is just like some CCS users hope their clients will not discover that their applications were created with CCS, now we have clients who want to keep InMotion all to themselves and don't let others know how they do what they do For example now with the use of InMotion and a few tricks the list of pages and HTML templates can be stored in a database, therefore some Websites based on InMotion will be quite customizable online, rather than having to upload page layout changes to a server via FTP (our Wiki will also be based on such system when ready). I'm not sure if we will be able to offer such functionality automatically, but I just want to explain that we've moved CCS forward more than some of our customers may realize. And while some people may still be unconvinced about CCS, we are zooming ahead and using CCS to build advanced Websites that the same people may use online and unknowingly say "see, that's what's not possible with CCS"
BTW, the setup for InMotion is really simple because nothing is needed. Just select the VB+Inmotion or C#+InMotion (instead of previous .NET) and generate your application. I see that people have less problems with this then generating previous .NET code, so you should be up and running really quick. I also recommend using the sample Issue Manager project from CCS Customer area as a great example with couple database setups right there.
In general, as I understand the original idea for CCS was born many years ago out of YesSoftware's need to create Web applications for their clients, not only to sell the tool. And now that CCS is quite mature, there is again much more focus in YesSoftware on using CCS for consulting and partnering with companies that may use CCS for creating interesting Web based systems. Therefore we're becoming CCS users ourselves and taking advantage of this excellent product like everyone else here
This may not be directly related to CCS but should indirectly benefit everyone. For example the InMotion Framework was created externally for private use, while we invested into having it fully integrated into CCS so we can offer it to everyone as highly stable and scalable architecture that also is easy to work with.
We also seek and invest in other technologies and partnerships that may benefit both our Web development efforts and CCS, which brings us to the surprise...:
I just created a small CCS Blog application in PHP for a partner/client in little over 1 day: http://support.yessoftware.com/ccs_blog/index.php
And the "interesting surprise" was, at least for me, not the ability to quickly create a Blog application with CCS, but to create in 2 hours all 3 professionally looking Web designs/templates/styles included there, without any design experience, without knowing HTML+CSS too well, and without using any Adobe products. My 3 templates probably aren't great (sorry about the weird "Doggie" style), but I could continue having fun and create 5 more designs tomorrow. And it looks like soon everyone (even kids) will be able to create such and better designs in 10-30 minutes.
If anyone wants to Beta test that product you'll have to solve a puzzle and find it yourself Here is the clue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5D43p4_qcY
BTW, our Blog application will be included in that Web design product.
The only issue right now is that various external Web designs are not fully compatible with CCS styles (.css syntax), therefore I needed to modify HTML around forms generated by CCS builders, and actually I removed all CCS Styles and didn't use them in the Blog app.
Therefore as next step we will try to provide some level of compatibility between CCS and external Web designs, so that both can be used together. And hopefully later (but not this month) we will be able to allow using such external Web designs/styles directly within CCS, and make CCS Builders fully compatible with various templating/design style standards.
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peterr
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| Posted: 06/05/2008, 11:42 PM |
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I received couple inquiries regarding my last post above, therefore let me clarify:
1. We will try to integrate both products and generate such Web designs/templates/styles specifically for use with CodeCharge Studio. The goal is for all CCS applications to look as good as the best Websites out there.
2. I wasn't using any Microsoft products or any photo editing software to create these designs.
BTW, I added 8 more designs in the last few hours for the total of 11. It now takes about 15-20 minutes to create each one, and only requires copying the result into CCS project folder.
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wkempees
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 2:13 AM |
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Peterr,
Thanks for elaborate reply, nice.
Quote peterr:
BTW, the setup for InMotion is really simple because nothing is needed. Just select the VB+Inmotion or C#+InMotion (instead of previous .NET) and
This part I did get, however setting up a PHP environment on a vanilla box is made easy by installing CCS XAMPP MySQL-ODBC.
My main 'stopper' is doing the same for .NET Inmotion.
So far I though MS Visual Studio 2003 Express would save the day but had to rollback.
The suprise is puzzling  , sounds good, but after june 15 
Thanks for keeping us informed, awaiting the Yes Friday!
Walter
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peterr
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 3:43 AM |
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Walter,
Quote :This part I did get, however setting up a PHP environment on a vanilla box is made easy by installing CCS XAMPP MySQL-ODBC.
My main 'stopper' is doing the same for .NET Inmotion.
So far I though MS Visual Studio 2003 Express would save the day but had to rollback.
I don't use anything special, only any Windows with IIS and .NET Framework 2.0 that is also included with most Windows systems. For example all this works automatically on Windows XP Pro or Vista Home Premium.
The only extra part would be a database andi it can be MySQL, MS Access or MS SQL Server.
The .NET InMotion Framework is included as part of generated code, so you don't even need to download it, only generate Web applications in the same way as standard ASP.NET or ASP.
This should be simpler than installing PHP+MySQL via XAMPP. You can start by generating one of the sample projects included in CCS, and you should see results immediately on your local Windows computer.
As for the "surprise", it's a different product related to Extensions and there is an open public Beta right now, which you can find if you look carefully where you just looked : -)
We're still not ready with the integration so I wasn't rushing, but I can post the URL if no one here can solve puzzles : -)
BTW, I'm not sure if this is such interesting news for everyone but we receive good number of phone calls and inquiries asking for help with Web design, or asking if we know any design companies that worked with CCS, etc. Therefore I was amazed that this need can be addressed by automating Web design, and I'd recommend such product to everyone once we figure out the best way to use or integrate it with CCS.
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wkempees
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 5:20 AM |
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Thanks for reply, again.
So Vista, Switch on IIS and (f.i.) MsSQL Express would be it, no need for VisualStudio XYZ?
Having a go.
As to suprise, found the one will find the other (probably too).
Posting a link would speed things up though, but I do not need it(!) ha.
Greetz,
Walter
(P=2660+ closing in on you)
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matheus
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 7:43 AM |
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Tip: Web design revolution
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Jan K. van Dalen
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 11:40 AM |
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I give up ... can not figure out .... send me a link @ jan AT janvandalen
DOT com
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peterr
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 12:33 PM |
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OK, so Matheus will receive a free Aritsteer license on my behalf for solving the puzzle (PM me with contact info)
The solution is: http://www.artisteer.com
(I'll repost this info in our Web design forum)
We also uploaded an updated CCS version 4.01 to our main download area at http://www.yessoftware.com/download/download_form.php?product_id=1
I'll post this info in a new thread as well.
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wkempees
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 1:10 PM |
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Quote peterr:
OK, so Matheus will receive a free Aritsteer license on my behalf for solving the puzzle
Congrats Matheus, although forum wise I did beat you by 2:20, haha
(Thank you for participating in Artisteer Beta program. Here is the Beta program information:*********************)
Walter
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Jan K. van Dalen
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 1:51 PM |
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Peter ... will the new Wiki be release as a demo app?
"peterr" <peterr@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
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> OK, so Matheus will receive a free Aritsteer license on my behalf for
> solving
> the puzzle (PM me with contact info)
> The solution is: http://www.artisteer.com
> (I'll repost this info in our Web design forum)
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> We also uploaded an updated CCS version 4.01 to
> http://www.yessoftware.com/download/download_urls.php?product_id=1
> I'll post this info in a new thread as well.
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peterr
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 2:31 PM |
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Jan,
Not sure, because it will be a part of an online CMS hosting platform we're creating with a partner company.
However, I will check if we can at least extract it a separate application that can be provided as a demo. Please keep in mind it would be only in C#+InMotion.
We actually have an online prototype but there are some security issues we need to solve before posting the URL.
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peterr
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 2:34 PM |
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Hey Walter,
I'll get you a free license too, as I have several to give away. You've almost replaced me here on the forums, so thanks for your help
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Jan K. van Dalen
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 2:34 PM |
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Thanks ... C# is 1 of the futures .... hence it will be great ...
Good job.
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> Jan,
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> Not sure, because it will be a part of an online CMS hosting platform
> we're
> creating with a partner company.
> However, I will check if we can at least extract it a separate application
> that
> can be provided as a demo. Please keep in mind it would be only in
> C#+InMotion.
> We actually have an online prototype but there are some security issues we
> need
> to solve before posting the URL.
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Jan K. van Dalen
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 3:12 PM |
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I can jump up and down while scraching my belly :)
Seriously, this seems to be a good alternative to NetObjects Fusion
1) Any chance for using templates when generating the code?
2) What are the plans for Ajax?
3) The CSS code looks great ... will be a lot easier to manage that CCS.
May I ask what the relationship between the 2 companies is?
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> Hey Walter,
> I'll get you a free license too, as I have several to give away. You've
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> replaced me here onthe forums, so thanks for your help
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wkempees
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 3:18 PM |
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Quote peterr:
Hey Walter,
I'll get you a free license too, as I have several to give away. You've almost replaced me here on the forums, so thanks for your help
Much appreciated, but post was not meant as sollicitation.
Some of my days/nights are better spent online than outside.....
With pleasure, and gratitude.
Walter
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 3:47 PM |
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good strategy Peterr. give it to Walter so I can ask him later how to use it!!
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wkempees
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 3:50 PM |
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@JCC
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wkempees
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| Posted: 06/06/2008, 3:57 PM |
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BTW Peterr, I suggest new topic
CodeCharge Studio 4.01 update (.000)
And closing this by [CLOSED] put in the title.
All this scrolling........
Walter
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peterr
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| Posted: 06/07/2008, 1:36 PM |
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Quote Jan K. van Dalen:
Seriously, this seems to be a good alternative to NetObjects Fusion
1) Any chance for using templates when generating the code?
2) What are the plans for Ajax?
3) The CSS code looks great ... will be a lot easier to manage that CCS.
May I ask what the relationship between the 2 companies is?
1. If you ask about CCS, we're now researching possible ways to do this. We hope to support custom form templates in CCS Builders, but not sure yet how complex this will be and when we will finalize this.
2. Hmm, CodeCharge Studio supports Ajax now, therefore this makes me think you're asking about Artisteer? I don't think that Artisteer will be related to Ajax, as it is doing only the same job as a Web designer would do (in a simplified way). Or it may be used by Web designers for quick drafting, idea generator, etc. But designers usually provide results only in form of HTML+CSS files that a developer would use, thus there is no relation to Ajax.
As for the relationship, we do some consulting work for Extensoft and work with them on couple Web projects that are not yet public (except for my Blog prototype), plus we share one of investors who is involved with both companies.
(therefore I should probably disclose that we have interest in promoting Artisteer, while keeping in mind that this should also help us make CCS create better looking applications)
Quote wkempes:
BTW Peterr, I suggest new topic
CodeCharge Studio 4.01 update (.000)
And closing this by [CLOSED] put in the title.
All this scrolling........
I meant to do this yesterday but had a little delay.
This forum thread is now officially closed.
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