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Jan K. van Dalen
Posted: 06/06/2008, 4:13 PM

Ok, it took me about 10 minutes from the start of playing to this ... pretty
impresive :)

http://www.janvandalen.com/artisteer/sample.html

Peter, how do I add more pages?

Jan K. van Dalen
Posted: 06/06/2008, 4:18 PM

Well, let me not be presumptuous ... 1st site on this forum :)



"Jan K. van Dalen" <jan@windmilltechnology.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, it took me about 10 minutes from the start of playing to this ...
> pretty impresive :)
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> http://www.janvandalen.com/artisteer/sample.html
>
> Peter, how do I add more pages?
>

peterr


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Posted: 06/07/2008, 2:41 PM

Jan,

Looking good :-)

Unfortunately I also didn't find a way to add more pages yet. It may show up in the final release but I'm not sure. (Artisteer is not a page creator, but rather creates Web designs that have to applied to real pages or applications, like I did with the blog)
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Posted: 06/08/2008, 5:11 AM

How about making some kind of integration with Dreamweaver CS3 ? :-)
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Posted: 06/08/2008, 12:36 PM

Hi feha,

We've spent about 6 months on this in the past but Dreamweaver API was too limited.
Also, we did integration with FrontPage and almost no one used it. It seems much easier to use CCS by itself, while invoking FrontPage or Dreamweaver only when needing to edit web design, not dynamic database functionality.
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Posted: 06/08/2008, 3:08 PM

I've not had any problems integrating my designs with CCS, including designs utilizing DIV tags.

Once the design is complete, I simply drop the html file with support files into the project directory, create a new page, type the name of the html file into the new page name dialog box , and then answer "Yes" to the next dialog box telling me something like , "the html file already exists, use existing file?". CCS takes it from there, happily creating my ASP.NET pages, code behind files, etc., from these html designs.

This process so far has been design tool agnostic, for me. I've done this with DW CS3, VS 2005, and most recently with Web Studio from BackToTheBeach. The later, was a new one on me, but a client sent me their design files in a Web Studio .ows file - CCS had no problem using the html output.

Have I just been lucky or am I not understanding the question?
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Posted: 06/09/2008, 6:59 AM

Quote tsgroman:
I've not had any problems integrating my designs with CCS, including designs utilizing DIV tags.

Once the design is complete, I simply drop the html file with support files into the project directory, create a new page, type the name of the html file into the new page name dialog box , and then answer "Yes" to the next dialog box telling me something like , "the html file already exists, use existing file?". CCS takes it from there, happily creating my ASP.NET pages, code behind files, etc., from these html designs.

This process so far has been design tool agnostic, for me. I've done this with DW CS3, VS 2005, and most recently with Web Studio from BackToTheBeach. The later, was a new one on me, but a client sent me their design files in a Web Studio .ows file - CCS had no problem using the html output.

Have I just been lucky or am I not understanding the question?

By Integration mean the OBJECT / Options / Menu / Etc from CCS will Appear on the Arretee UI Design o viseversa.
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Posted: 06/09/2008, 7:33 AM

@Oper - I got it, thanks.

My post was also in relation to this thread: http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=97599

Integration of CCS with a design tool is a solution in search of a problem.

Fortunately nothing like that has been officially annouced/suggested: http://forums.codecharge.com/posts.php?post_id=97598 Which announced that, "Extensoft will provide an option within Artisteer to generate professional Web designs and templates for use with CodeCharge Studio..."

That will be great...



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Posted: 06/09/2008, 3:07 PM

There is a conceptual difference between Web design tools and Web templates.
Web design tools like Dreamweaver can be used in millions of ways to manually create unlimited variants of HTML and CSS structures. Basically each Web designer will create HTML+CSS in their own way, using their own syntax and freeform layout.
While Web templates like those created by Artisteer can be produced in uniform format, thus allowing consistent procedures to apply them to an application. Therefore we hope to find some ways to improve or automate the process of transferring Artisteer's Web templates into CodeCharge Studio.

However, I don't see a way to add CCS menu or components into Artisteer. This would mean converting Artisteer into a Web development tool and trying to add functionality that it was never intended to support. We do not anticipate such deep level of integration just for the sake of adding nice header & footer to CCS forms.
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Posted: 06/09/2008, 6:07 PM

Quote tsgroman:
Integration of CCS with a design tool is a solution in search of a problem.

Agreed! I would MUCH rather see Yes focus on improving the CCS IDE and documentation than messing with web design/layout tools. we already have great web design/layout tools at our disposal (Dreamweaver VS2008, etc.) I use CCS to make me more productive on the application/database side of things.
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