thomasbjo
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| Posted: 08/10/2008, 9:27 AM |
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There have been some issues regarding FCK-Editor licensing. So I started looking for a replacement.
Seems that Xinha - http://xinha.org - does not have theese issues and therfore should be safe to distribute. This is the followup of HTMLarea 3.0 and it is fully fuctional in opera and firefox! FCK claims to be, but i have never managed to get it to work in opera - not even the sample on their website works in opera.
Has anyone made a successfull integration of Xinha in CCS (ie article_desc)? If so -I would love the feedback here (as I am feeling lazy theese days:).
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 08/10/2008, 10:33 AM |
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Quote thomasbjo:
There have been some issues regarding FCK-Editor licensing.
please elaborate. I've not heard of these issues.
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thomasbjo
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| Posted: 08/10/2008, 11:21 AM |
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Try this thread:
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=81537
The conclusion is that you cannot distribute FCK with your aplication (I think )
With Xinha(HTMLarea) you can (I think )
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 08/10/2008, 12:41 PM |
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Wrong conclusion. 
If you read the entire post you will see that I personally contacted the FCK owner and he assured me we are free to use FCK in any way we choose including commercially, bundled, etc. Key posts are on 2nd page,
Quote :Today I spoke via email with the gentleman who owns FCKeditor and he essentially told me that you can use FCKeditor in your project or product, commercial or otherwise, and the only restriction is you must acknowledge the use of FCKeditor and provide a way for your customers to obtain FCKeditor and its complete distribution package including source code.
But you do not need to expose any of your source code nor are you required to purchase a commercial license in order to use FCKeditor in your commercial package.
Quote :Below is my conversation with Frederico Caldeira Knabben, owner of FCKeditor. I presented this as 3 separate scenarios and he replied that all three are OK without needing a commercial license. Remember I'm not an attorney nor can I give you any legal advice!
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We will design a web site for a customer as a custom project and charge market rates for this service. We will integrate FCKeditor into the new web site to provide a way for the end-user to update pages on the site. Since the new web site will be ASP.net we may (or may not) compile the source code for much of the underlying logic of the web site and would not necessarily provide access to this source code to the end-user.
1) Can we use FCKeditor in this example?
2) Do we need to provide the end-user with their own copy of FCKeditor (including source code) in order to be compliant with LGPL?
3) Do we need to provide them with access to our source code too in order to be compliant with LGPL?
4) At what point would we be required to get a CDL to avoid a license infringement?
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SCENARIO #2
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What if we began producing a web application (that uses FCKeditor) where many users would purchase it but it would always be customized and installed by us. Would the answers to the 4 questions above be any different in this scenario?
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What if we produced a software product (that uses FCKeditor) that is NOT customized and installed by us but simply sold directly to end-users. In this case it is clearly a product we are selling rather than a service.
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ANSWER from Frederico Caldeira Knabben
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You can use the LGPL in all three cases. It means you must provide access to the FCKeditor source in the case your clients want it (and make this possibility clear to them). You don't need to open the source of your software in any way. Of course all other terms of the LGPL must be respected.
You would opt for the CDL if you don't want to publish the editor code for your client and/or not even make any reference to the FCKeditor project. You would also opt for it if you want to give something back to us :)
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thomasbjo
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| Posted: 08/10/2008, 1:15 PM |
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Quote :Of course all other terms of the LGPL must be respected.
Well yes that's good to hear. I am herby confused at a higher level (the best I can hope fore I guess ).
The issue of compatibillity remains:
If you go here http://www.fckeditor.net/demo with opera it simply won't work. Even if FCK claims to be compatible.
If you go here: http://www.xinha.org/xinha-nightly/examples/ExtendedDemo.html it will work right out of the box. It is a must to cover all browsers (at least Mozilla IE and Opera).
Edited: After haveing downloaded Opera 9.51 it works! Still Xinha is compatible with more versions of browsers!
(Customers do not always have the state of the art browsers and they are looking for the simple fuctionality - not apreciating all the fantastic features in FCK.)
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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| Posted: 08/10/2008, 7:40 PM |
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at best Opera represents 1% to 2% of users at a hi-tech site like w3schools.com; probably a LOT less at general web sites. and a good percentage of those will be using the latest Opera version.
FCKeditor is compatible with Opera 9.5+ (you confirmed the latest free download works). to me this is about as good as browser support can get!
we do lots of commercial development and while we care about browser compatibility and try to implement best practices to cover all major browsers we would not sacrifice a desirable feature to support pre-9.5 Opera users. just not enough of them in our markets.
of course if they matter to you you may have to invest the extra effort to figure out how to add the xinha editor to your CCS projects. I'd caution though that there may in fact be incompatibilities in xinha as well that you just have not discovered yet! there just aren't many perfect tools out there yet!
if you do get this working in CCS please post your results here for us all to see!
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thomasbjo
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| Posted: 08/11/2008, 3:26 PM |
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Quote :at best Opera represents 1% to 2% of users at a hi-tech site like w3schools.com; probably a LOT less at general web sites. and a good percentage of those will be using the latest Opera version.
Yes the Opera people matter (as much as Linux matters). Opera is a verry good browser and I am using it frequently myself. But you are right about one thing: The people using Opera are likely to update fairly often.
Quote :I'd caution though that there may in fact be incompatibilities in xinha as well that you just have not discovered yet!
You are right I have not discovered them yet - of course they are bound to be there.
So even if I don't by the "Eat - one billion flies can-t be wrong" argumentation (even microsoft started at 1% ) I will go for FCK this time (as I said I am feeling Lazy and CCS is doing all the work for me).
And it works!
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