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I'm glad that Artisteer has changed the way it generate CSS files (style).
I'm glad that they removed tables from header.
I'm glad that css file for IE6 is now separate.
I would like to see some integration with CCS 4 as to be able to use it within CCS4 ...
But these are great steps forward.
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g'Day
Yes, I am getting quite happy with version 2 (beta) as well.
I was wondering if there was any further progress on the Whoa! Blog! CCS project. as mentioned in http://forums.codecharge.com/posts.php?post_id=97598
I now own a copy of the Artisteer product, which I use mainly for the Wordpress and other CMS feature, but I am also interested in using it with CCS as well. Even if I could just get the blogging CCS project as indicated it would be a good start for me.
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OK, I have had the time to do some serious testing of the Artisteer product.
I use Artisteer maily for the Open Source Portals that I install for people, mainly WordPress and think it is an excellent product for this purpose.
However, I believe that the export that is generated for CodeCharge Studio does NOT assists Codecharge Studio developers very much.
At best it can help you create the Header and Footer but the Page and Component level styles still require too much manual intervention to apply. You either need to create a CCS style that blend in with the Artisteer project or change ALL the styles against EVERY object on EVERY page that you create.
In order to be useful to CCS developers I think that the Product should not only create the CCS project but also a fully CCS compatable style that can be applied as well, otherwise the product is VERY LIMITED as a CCS project generator.
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feha
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| Posted: 02/22/2009, 2:26 PM |
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Stuart, I agree with you.
At least component css style class names should be preserved.
Better inegration should be provided , example plug-in for "MS Front Page".
We should be able to open Artesteer within CCS and "embed" components or use wizards-builders,
or whe using a CCS style builder it should call Artesteer and create a compatible style+layout that should be visible within the "Styles" than it can be considered as "integration".
This way manual work could be kept to minimum.
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Feha,
Yes, that is the way it should work. Is Yessoftware or Artisteer working on this? Is it worth waiting for?
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http://ccselite.com/forums_topics_view.php?forum_id=13&forum_topic_id=58
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Agree. If they could do this, the sky is the limit :)
"whiteside" <whiteside@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
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> OK, I have had the time to do some serious testing of the Artisteer
> product.
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> I use Artisteer maily for the Open Source Portals that I install for
> people,
> mainly WordPress and think it is an excellent product for this purpose.
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> However, I believe that the export that is generated for CodeCharge Studio
> does
> NOT assists Codecharge Studio developers very much.
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> At best it can help you create the Header and Footer but the Page and
> Component
> level styles still require too much manual intervention to apply. You
> either
> need to create a CCS style that blend in with the Artisteer project or
> change
> ALL the styles against EVERY object on EVERY page that you create.
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> In order to be useful to CCS developers I think that the Product should
> not
> only create the CCS project but also a fully CCS compatable style that can
> be
> applied as well, otherwise the product is VERY LIMITED as a CCS project
> generator.
>
> Regards (and my 2 cents worth)
> Stewart
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John, you mention on your post "CCS 5.0".
1) Without reveling your sources LOL .... what have you heard about CCS 5.0?
2) Any ETA?
3) Can you comment more on the Artisteer & CCS integration? This will make
a killer conbination.
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> http://ccselite.com/forums_topics_view.php?forum_id=13&forum_topic_id=58
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Yes, I was triggered too by 5.0 
Jan, I looked at an example you had made for WordPress with Artisteer. Nice design, but with the same experience that I had while testing Artisteer: the pages build up in steps, following the divs used in the HTML and css. When this happens once it is no problem, but when it returns on every page it gets a bit annoying. It is in the concept of the css-approach of Artisteer I suppose.
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Quote marcel:
Yes, I was triggered too by 5.0
Jan, I looked at an example you had made for WordPress with Artisteer. Nice design, but with the same experience that I had while testing Artisteer: the pages build up in steps, following the divs used in the HTML and css. When this happens once it is no problem, but when it returns on every page it gets a bit annoying. It is in the concept of the css-approach of Artisteer I suppose.
Marcel
yes marcel its really annoying and very confused.
we did few test and we tottaly erase all DIV from template in fact we are not using template
we create few classes and all div are created dinamyc work well and best all clean HTML during Design.
the part i really dont like is that they changed too much from v1 to v2 anyone that is using v1 will have really trouble switching design to v2. (for CCS) that wont happend in wordpress.
Check this sample: http://www.informatica.com.do
All DIV are generated dynamic even the header and footer i'm just waiting the release of the v2 to create an small how to for CCS and artisteer. stil have lot of work to do so. but its like FEHA said look really promising.
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Update
http://ccselite.com/forums_topics_view.php?forum_id=13&forum_topic_id=58
BTW Oper.... That is a very, very nice CCS / Artisteer example.
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Update did not include CCS 5.0 news :)
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Hi Jan
Thanks for the complaint but I did not see any post from you at CCSE asking about anything.
I am not necessarily referencing you but I think I must now agree totally and subscribe to Rick's thoughts about posting on this forum.
It has been said by a few in this forum that CCSElite.com dilutes this forum and they are unwilling to seek answers or post any help to members or collegues at CCSElite.
Your posting here asking about version 5 of CCS expecting me to just sort of be a secretary and post between the two is now a little crazy. I've been told by some here that they will not bother so why should I continue?
I have continued to answer questions that members of this forum have by pointing them to answers that have already been answered and posted at CCSE. Then I get the replies to those posts over here.
I cannot understand why members here are unwilling to contibute to both communities as appropiate but expect me to do the legwork by answering CCSE posts over here.
The comment about diluting this forum is absurd. It sort of like this board just wants to stagnate. Not exactly what a community is all about from my perspective.
Here are just a few of the significant posts that I have bridged between the two communities. Also demonstaring some of the features that CCSE provides to compliment this forum.
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104583
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104444
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=97578
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104462
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104353
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104264
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104573
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104551
http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104547
Anyway, this is not directed at you and am sorry if I sound a little disappointed like Rick is. But I too need to move on as Rick suggested. And, as Rick said, your know where we will be if there is anyway we can contribute to the CCS and the development community at large..
We most sincerely thought we were offering some value to all our collegues of this forum by creating CCSE and are truly dissapointed that this community does not see it that way. CCSE will be a valuable source of information etc, anyway. We thank everyone for their support and we are so very glad that this community appreciated ours.
BTW do a google search for:
CodeCharge Studio Tips
CodeCharge Studio Tricks
CodeCharge Studio Forum
CodeCharge Studio Support
CodeCharge Studio Help
CodeCharge Studio Addons
CodeCharge Studio Store
CodeCharge Studio Tutorials
CodeCharge Studio On-Line Tutorials
CodeCharge Studio SQL Injection
CCSElite
As some examples where CCSE currently ranks..
Anyone need help with SEO in CodeCharge Studio?
As Always, Have Fun..
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JR, as most (maybe?), I use a newsgroup reader; in my case Thunderbird.
Have you guys considered newsgrouperizing (new word) your forum?
It'll likely garner more attention, and not require the visitor to have
to flop between two locations and applications.
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| Posted: 02/28/2009, 2:44 PM |
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I think if these forums had rss feeds it would be easy to follow both of them.
There is one more forum at Artisteer ...
I hope anyway that someone from Artisteer is following these comments as at the Artisteer CCS-Forum I could not see lot of answers or activity.
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There is a forum for suggestions at CCSElite..
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Thanks
I (myself) really have not much time to spend over my favorite forums, very busy.
I,m very happy when i get at least a bit of time to fast browse this forum and if time allows try to help ...
I like and appreciate all initiatives even CCSElite
For me the main factor is time, if there was a rss feed i wont spend my time browsing every thread.
I don't like newsgroups as already getting over 200 emails a day is too much.
Thanks
I hope this thread will be more about Artisteer :-=
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Quote jjrjr1:
I have continued to answer questions that members of this forum have by pointing them to answers that have already been answered and posted at CCSE.
I have noticed your latest trend of replying to questions asked here with a link to a post on your forum. And I noticed that most of these are not existing posts but an answer you are posting on your forum in response to a question asked here. If your forum does not survive in the marketplace there will be numerous threads in this forum which contain broken links instead of valuable information and conversations.
On the one hand, I am reluctant to criticize anyone who is offering their help. But on the other I am bothered by this technique because it makes me suspect you are not truly engaged in this community. Rather, you appear to be self-serving in promoting your own forum where you feature advertising and attempt to sell your products and memberships.
My opinion? If you wish to engage and participate in this community you should do so here! If you want to start your own community and focus all your efforts there then do so. And, once you have created something worthwhile people will come. Currently all you have created is a distraction in my opinion.
Imagine if everyone here who is willing to offer advice and answer questions decided to do so only on their own forum or blog! They could easily do so. Anyone can get a free blog and then just post their answers to questions asked here on their own blog. Yep, that would work just fine and in fact that would benefit those people since their blog would now get more traffic and they could even sell advertising. But I'm glad that most of the professionals who frequent here do not do that because they believe in this community and are not trying to create a profit model based on it!
Of course, these are just my opinions. :)
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JCC he is trying to get PR out posting every post he do a link to his site, worst crediting thing to him that belong to other:
like the IFRAME you should point to DYNAMIC drive not to yuor site:
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3879.html
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* IFrame SSI script II- © Dynamic Drive DHTML code library (http://www.dynamicdrive.com)
* Visit DynamicDrive.com for hundreds of original DHTML scripts
* This notice must stay intact for legal use
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//Input the IDs of the IFRAMES you wish to dynamically resize to match its content height:
//Separate each ID with a comma. Examples: ["myframe1", "myframe2"] or ["myframe"] or [] for none:
var iframeids=["myframe"]
//Should script hide iframe from browsers that don't support this script (non IE5+/NS6+ browsers. Recommended):
var iframehide="yes"
var getFFVersion=navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Firefox")).split("/")[1]
var FFextraWidth=parseFloat(getFFVersion)>=0.1? 16 : 0 //extra height in px to add to iframe in FireFox 1.0+ browsers
function resizeCaller() {
var dyniframe=new Array()
for (i=0; i<iframeids.length; i++){
if (document.getElementById)
resizeIframe(iframeids)
//reveal iframe for lower end browsers? (see var above):
if ((document.all || document.getElementById) && iframehide=="no"){
var tempobj=document.all? document.all[iframeids] : document.getElementById(iframeids)
tempobj.style.display="block"
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}
}
function resizeIframe(frameid){
var currentfr=document.getElementById(frameid)
if (currentfr && !window.opera){
currentfr.style.display="block"
if (currentfr.contentDocument && currentfr.contentDocument.body.offsetWidth) //ns6 syntax
currentfr.width = currentfr.contentDocument.body.offsetWidth+FFextraWidth;
else if (currentfr.Document && currentfr.Document.body.scrollWidth) //ie5+ syntax
currentfr.width = currentfr.Document.body.scrollWidth;
if (currentfr.addEventListener)
currentfr.addEventListener("load", readjustIframe, false)
else if (currentfr.attachEvent){
currentfr.detachEvent("onload", readjustIframe) // Bug fix line
currentfr.attachEvent("onload", readjustIframe)
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function readjustIframe(loadevt) {
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function loadintoIframe(iframeid, url){
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* Visit DynamicDrive.com for hundreds of original DHTML scripts
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Wow
Ok Guys don't give me a break.
@KFC. Fine. I appreciate your opinion and I understand it is yours. Yes I did post some answers to questions here with links to CCSE. Some were in direct response to questions as they came up and some were old posts I made here and just reposted at CCSE and some had been at CCSE for a while. AT least I was posting something and hoping to help rather than just showing up to critisize. That was my mistake.
@Oper. I did not say I wrote that IFrame code or even imply that. I think I explained how to implement it in CCS and provided the code to do that with clear explainations rather than just some link and no meaningful explaination as how it might be used as is usually seen in so many posts on this forum like yours at http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104583 . I find it so terribly funny that you chose to post the code in this thread (without how to implement it) but not in the forum where the question was asked. Yikes..
Whatever you guys want to say is fine, Our intention was to build a CCS site with the features we added along with a way for community members to earn some money for their solutions, code and tips. As evidenced here by all the folks that have a donate paypal e-mail listed, Walter, Rick and I thought that would be something most folks would appreciate. CCSE makes very little money compared to developers who post their solutions for sale at CCSE. And the money that is earned does not even pay for the cost of hosting the site at this time or provide Rick and I any meaningful compensation for our work. Has anyone else here made that commitment to support the CCS community? We also sincerely wanted to be able to offer additional value to the CCS and Developers community in general by offering what does not exist here.
Yes Supports this board from the sale of CodeCharge Studio software and support contracts. At CCSElite is is members support that helps keep it alive. We are committed to keeping it alive out of our pockets until hopefully the community supports itself. And I am not to sure how many people will look at CCSElite and call it a simple forum or blog. It is probably the biggest single site, outside of Yes's, for the support of CCS. Again, has anyone else made that commitment to the CCS comunity?
Anyway, they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.... So I'm off to the CCSElite hell..
So... Can we leave this thing at this.
Artisteer Is coming along and will be a great addition to our tool box when inegrated with CCS. Anyone who anticipates using it should bite the bullet and play with it now so problems can be pointed out and posted to Yes and Artisteer Support. This will help to ensure that the interface is not developed in a vacuum.
This is how the Wordpress, HTML, Joomla, Drupal interfaces were able to be so complete. Let's face it the CCS user base for Artisteer is pretty small and only a few of us have actually used it.
Doing this will show Artisteer and Yes there is a viable crop of developers who will be using Artisteer and CodeCharge and cause a more rapid development and a more stable one also.
(Hope this gets this thread back on track.. If you like, See you at CCSE.)
As Alway, have fun.
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Quote jjrjr1:
AT least I was posting something and hoping to help rather than just showing up to critisize.
Lots of people, myself included, come here and post their ideas, advice, etc. No one comes here to criticize you; trust me we all have far more important work to do! But when something needs criticism, I/we will be happy to provide it! Everything I have said about your forum (CCSE) is based on a desire to see the official CCS forum improved and not impaired. And I realize that you are thin-skinned about this and our comments could possibly cause you to "take your ball and go home" as Rick joked before.
If I could give you a piece of advice before ceasing to converse on this topic. Go create something useful and worthwhile before trying to sell it. You've come up with an idea to create a community and maybe make some money and hats off to you for that. But so far all you have is a fairly empty framework with a few posts and products mostly entered by the owners of the framework. (Not to mention things that hurt your credibility like that silly page counter that increments on every page I visit giving the wrong impression that there is a lot more traffic than there really is!) And somehow you expected other CCS professionals to come over, embrace your forum and make it a success? That's not how it works.
Your "community" will survive or fail on its own merits. If it is worthwhile and offering something substantially different than we already have then it may succeed. Otherwise it will fail. Don't delude yourself into thinking a handful of "meanies" on this forum had anything at all to do with the ultimate outcome of your endeavor.
Oh and BTW, just to show you I am, if anything, consistent, I believe it is lame for community members to include a beg in their sig. It screws up the community dynamic to have some members appointing themselves as worthy of pay for sharing their knowledge. As much as I respect and miss Walter, that was something he and I strongly disagreed on.
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JCC,
I guess all is fair play in the criticizing arena since you opened the door. John and I have been nothing less than professional here. We give advice that we charge others hundreds of dollars for freely. Many of our answers take hours to come up with and we normally provide decent sample code. So what part of that do you have issues with?
You proudly have a Walter K. signature. Did you know Walter and I started CCSE? We did it to make the community better, not a battling group of complaining bitches that can't see a good FREE thing. If you don't believe check the oldest post on the boards at CCSE... Walter made the first post.
You say you offer suggestions and tips. I'm not saying you've never posted help but when was the last time you posted a 2 page answer with source code and a link to a running example? Never.
The fact is simple... you're afraid that someone better than you is going to make you a small fish in a bigger pond. That's all fine with me. Stay here and tell people what option to set in the property explorer. John and I are more about solutions. But stop whining to us when we give valid answers to people seeking them that even Yes won't provide and we do it for free.
Your petty whine about PayPal links... KISS MY ASS! I personally don't have one but many here do... In fact WALTER started that trend. I have been asked after spending long periods of time on a problem and provided that information... and was rewarded for my effort.
Yes... CCSE is supposed to make money, but not like you think. We'd mostly like to break even on hosting costs. I don't know about you.... but I was raised to at least make some money on a daily basis. I have never charged for my time here and on occasion people contribute but only because they asked and they felt my time was worth it. CCSE is an experiment... doing things no other CCS site does... and many times the sample code John and I provide comes directly from that site's source code. Call it irrelevant or what you like, but that site has made a huge difference here even if you don't use it.
The bottom line JCC is you and I will never agree, and I can agree to disagree. Do not bad mouth me, John or our site because you feel I am diluting your gene pool here. I mean you can sleep with your cousins to not dilute your gene pool, but nothing good will ever come of it.
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Quote jjrjr1:
It has been said by a few in this forum that CCSElite.com dilutes this forum and they are unwilling to seek answers or post any help to members or collegues at CCSElite.
i dont think i have seen anyone say they are unwilling to use/visit ccselite
Quote jjrjr1:
I have continued to answer questions that members of this forum have by pointing them to answers that have already been answered and posted at CCSE. Then I get the replies to those posts over here.
on the whole John it appears that a lot of these "answers that have already been answerred and posted at CCSE" have not already been answerred, but you answer them at that time and then post a link - this is dilution
your solutions are useful and welcomed but would be more of both if they were posted directly here - or even in both
many users of these forums do indeed spend their own valuable time supporting each other which is great
Quote jjrjr1:
I cannot understand why members here are unwilling to contibute to both communities as appropiate but expect me to do the legwork by answering CCSE posts over here.
indeed - support both communities :)
Quote jjrjr1:
The comment about diluting this forum is absurd. It sort of like this board just wants to stagnate. Not exactly what a community is all about from my perspective.
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Quote jjrjr1:
104551 - ccse post is posted in response
104573 - ccse post is posted in response
104353 - no link to ccse but rather the initial thread that started it all
104462 - ccse post is posted in response
97578 - ccse post is posted in response and then you continue to reply to his replies here over there?
104583 - ccse post is posted in response
and lastly - John - these are not criticisms of you. i think you do a great job helping out others and obviously spend a lot of time doing so. i do disagree with much of what you have said on this topic though - and likely you will disagree with my views too.
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Hmm, I expected more discussions about Artisteer 2.0 on this thread 
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Sorry Feha to have contributed to the chatter on this thread.
I have just started using 2.0 and it seams a lot more stable but I am using it with a product that competes with CCS and this freaking board will not let me post it's name. I have not tried it with CCS 4 yet.
Rick
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JimmyCrackedCorn
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Quote mentecky:
John and I have been nothing less than professional here. We give advice that we charge others hundreds of dollars for freely. Many of our answers take hours to come up with and we normally provide decent sample code. So what part of that do you have issues with?
I have acknowledged several times in this discussion and others the contribution you have made. I don't know about John since his comments seem mostly related to PHP and I don't use PHP. But John's recent technique of trying to divert the conversation away from CCS to your forum is definitely "less than professional". And you know it.
Quote mentecky:
Did you know Walter and I started CCSE?
Yep. I discussed this with him before he passed away.
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You say you offer suggestions and tips.
My last tip was a few days ago. But I certainly wish I had more time and knowledge to contribute more. I read the posts here daily and when I can offer help I do so. One thing I will never do is actively try and sell my help here. I draw a line between my customers and my professional support community. Not to say they might not sometimes overlap but I certainly would not try and build a business that way. It makes it difficult to trust someone's advice when they are trying to sell you their solution.
Quote mentecky:
The fact is simple... you're afraid that someone better than you is going to make you a small fish in a bigger pond.
Ya might want to get those paranoid delusions checked out by a professional outside the CCS community! 
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Your petty whine about PayPal links...In fact WALTER started that trend.
Not sure why you keep bringing up Walter. Walter was an outstanding contributor to this forum and I very much miss his inputs. But no one person (or even two people) is irreplaceble in a community like this. Not me. Not you. Not anyone. I'd like to think you'd stay and contribute but it sounds like your terms are, "come to my forum or do without my contributions". That's too bad. For us and for you.
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Do not bad mouth me, John or our site because you feel I am diluting your gene pool here. I mean you can sleep with your cousins to not dilute your gene pool, but nothing good will ever come of it.
You won't hear a peep from me unless you are doing something to mess up this commuinity I enjoy being a part of. If you do then I'm more than happy to voice my concerns!
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JCC,
The reason I bring Walter up is half of what you complain about Walter did and at times started... yet you post his name in your signature, making you a hypocrite.
I miss Walter, he was my friend... not a message board friend but someone I actually talked to on a regular basis.
This discussion is pointless. I have talked it over with John and I'll be sending a final newsletter to CCSE people and closing the site. It was good when it was fun but you have taken the fun out of it and these boards.
Enjoy your non-diluted pool!
Rick
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I'm a bit confused :)
1) You had mention 5.0 and I just wanted to know if there is anything of 5.0
that you can share with us. You can do it here on @ CCSElite.com. I'm just
eager for some news as YesSoftware some times it seems they fall into a
black hole :)
2) As far as I'm concern, you have all the right in the world to have your
own forum. The more info is there, the more it will be visited. OTOH, I
would not stop posting here as these is the central place for info.
BTW, I did not notice CCSElite.com forums until I read this thread.
"jjrjr1" <jjrjr1@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
news:249a96c1c58249@news.codecharge.com...
> Hi Jan
>
> I am not necessarily referencing you but I think I must now agree totally
> and
> subscribe to Rick's thoughts about posting on this forum.
>
> It has been said by a few in this forum that CCSElite.com dilutes this
> forum
> and they are unwilling to seek answers of post help to members at
> CCSElite.
>
> Your posting here asking about version 5 of CCS expecting me to just sort
> of be
> a secretary and post between the two is now a little crazy. I've been
> told by
> some here that they will not bother.
>
> I have continued to answer questions that members of this forum have by
> pointing them to answers that have already been answered and posted at
> CCSE.
> Then I get the replies to those posts over here.
>
> I cannot understand why members here are unwilling to contibute to both
> communities as appropiate but expect me to do the legwork by answering
> CCSE
> posts over here.
>
> The comment about diluting this forum is absurd. It sort of like this
> board
> just wants to stagnate and remain an inbreed group. Not exactly what a
> community is all about from my perspective.
>
> Here are just a few of the significant posts that I have bridged between
> the
> two communities. Also demonstaring some of the features that CCSE
> provides to
> compliment this forum.
>
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104583
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104444
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=97578
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104462
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104353
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104264
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104573
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104551
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/posts.php?post_id=104547
>
> Anyway, this is not directed at you and am sorry if I sound a little
> disappointed like Rick is. But I too need to move on as RIck suggested.
> And,
> as RIck said, your know where we will be if there is anyway we can
> contribute to
> the CCS and the development community at large..
>
> We most sincerely thought we were offering some value to all our collegues
> of
> this forum by creating CCSE and are truly dissapointed that this community
> does
> not see it that way. CCSE will be a valuable source of information etc,
> anyway.
> Thanks for all your support and we are so very glad you appreciated ours.
>
> As Always, Have Fun..
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> If this was helpful and you would like, pls donate to my food fund at
>paypal@jjrjr.com
>
> More help http://CCSElite.com[/b]
>
> Keep On Truckin'
> John Real
>
> http://RealTest.biz
> http://realsites.biz
> http://3rdRockRealtor.com[/b]
> ---------------------------------------
> Sent from YesSoftware forum
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/
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Ditto
"datadoit" <mike@floridaprocessing.com> wrote in message
news:goc6ng$on6$1@news.codecharge.com...
> JR, as most (maybe?), I use a newsgroup reader; in my case Thunderbird.
> Have you guys considered newsgrouperizing (new word) your forum? It'll
> likely garner more attention, and not require the visitor to have to flop
> between two locations and applications.
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Having a bad day? I appreciate any help being either here or CCSElite.
Thanks for you help to the community.
"jjrjr1" <jjrjr1@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
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> Wow
>
> Ok Guys don't give me a break.
>
> @JSS. Fine. I appreciate your opinion and I understand it is yours. Yes
> I
> did post answers to questions here with links to CCSE. Some were in
> direct
> response to questions as they came up and some were old posts I made here
> and
> just reposted at CCSE. AT least I was posting something and hoping to
> help. My
> mistake.
>
> @Oper. I did not say I wrote that IFrame code. I think I explained how
> to
> implement it in CCS and provided the code to do that with clear
> explainations
> rather than just some link and no meaningful explaination as how it might
> be
> used.
>
> Whatever you guys want to say is fine, Our intention was to build a CCS
> site
> with the features we added along with a way for community members can earn
> some
> money for their code. As evidenced here by all the folks that have a
> donate
> paypal e-mail listed, Walter, Rick and I thought that would be something
> most
> folks would appreciate. CCSE makes very little money compared to
> developers who
> post their solutions for sale at CCSE. We also sincerely wanted to be
> able to
> offer additional value to the CCS and Developers community in general by
> offering what does not exist here.
>
> Anyway, they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.... So I'm
> off
> to the CCSElite hell..
>
> So... Can we leave this thing at this.
>
> As Alway, have fun.
> _________________
> If this was helpful and you would like, pls donate to my food fund at
>paypal@jjrjr.com
>
> More help http://CCSElite.com[/b]
>
> Keep On Truckin'
> John Real
>
> http://RealTest.biz
> http://realsites.biz
> http://3rdRockRealtor.com[/b]
> ---------------------------------------
> Sent from YesSoftware forum
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/
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