steffa
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| Posted: 07/03/2004, 1:55 PM |
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I have a trial of Codecharge studio and when i'm workingit is going slowl. Why ?
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DonB
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| Posted: 07/03/2004, 2:26 PM |
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Details? CCS or your application is slow? Processor, speed, memory, disk,
etc.of your computer? Do you have antivirus software with "script blocking"
turned on (must be turned off)
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"steffa" <steffa@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
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> I have a trial of Codecharge studio and when i'm workingit is going slowl.
Why
> ?
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> http://forums.codecharge.com/
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| Posted: 07/03/2004, 8:59 PM |
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Mibble
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| Posted: 07/10/2004, 6:58 AM |
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After a few years of watching this software, I finally got a downloaded demo version to start functioning (for the most part)), and now that I have created a page, via selecting from a table from MySQL, I also am having a hard time in waiting for the software in doing just a simple cut and paste.
I am just trying to reformat a page, by moving things around in the auto-generated admin section layout, the cursor is sluggish.
I have disabled norton internet security, norton antivirus, have 1 gb ram, a P4 1.6 processor, only application running is CCS, the processes has the standard for Windows XP, along with Apache and MySQL, that is it.
I also disconnected from the internet, total page file usage is 261 mb.
So, any ideas on how to speed up the software?
I only have a few days left on my demo, have been struggling with this since I downloaded the other day.
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Rip
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| Posted: 07/13/2004, 7:04 PM |
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Quote Mibble:
After a few years of watching this software, I finally got a downloaded demo version to start functioning (for the most part)), and now that I have created a page, via selecting from a table from MySQL, I also am having a hard time in waiting for the software in doing just a simple cut and paste.
I am just trying to reformat a page, by moving things around in the auto-generated admin section layout, the cursor is sluggish.
I have disabled norton internet security, norton antivirus, have 1 gb ram, a P4 1.6 processor, only application running is CCS, the processes has the standard for Windows XP, along with Apache and MySQL, that is it.
I also disconnected from the internet, total page file usage is 261 mb.
So, any ideas on how to speed up the software?
I only have a few days left on my demo, have been struggling with this since I downloaded the other day.
Learning that CCS is a bloated piece of software? Why YES is supporting it without supporting their slimed down, easier to use, faster program Code Charge is beyond me...
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peterr
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| Posted: 07/13/2004, 7:12 PM |
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Rip,
The answer may seem surprisingly simple: demand drives the supply.
And I don't even know if people prefer bloated software, or just do not think that it is bloated. Go figure.
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Rip
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| Posted: 07/13/2004, 7:17 PM |
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demand drives supply, but you dont kick those who have supported your previous software by not giving them updates.
Yes has been negligent by not providing updates to their CC appliation, who do not want to upgrade to their CCS application. I find CCS bloated and unusable, overly complicated and unuseful. CC is simply easier to use, simple to understand and very straight forward.
Yes said they were gonna give updates to CC nearly a year ago, and the only thing we've gotten was a patch to help with a bug that Windows had with the service pack 2 update.
None of hte features we want have been addressed.
Oh and thanks for deleting my thread.
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Rip
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| Posted: 07/13/2004, 7:29 PM |
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And of course, after deleting that thread, you dont bother to post in the thread I referenced , leaving us CC users in the lurch, with nothing from YES.
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peterr
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| Posted: 07/13/2004, 10:37 PM |
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Rip, YesSoftware does not post official statements on user forums and I don't know of any company that does. The user forums are not the means to communicate with a company, but for the users to exchange information.
I'm here to help with whatever I can just like all other users. I can present my personal opinions and I can share what I know, but we do not have anyone who browses user forums in search for questions directed to the company. There is the contact information on our Website and the support site where you can ask questions directed to YesSoftware.
As an example: if you wanted to find out if Toyota will release a yellow color model the next year wouldn't you just ask the Toyota company first? What sense does it make to walk into the Toyota dealership and ask all the customers?
I deleted your other post because it was off-topic. I usually notify posters about this but you have not registered on the forums and remain anonymous therefore I had no means of contacting you.
And if you wanted to bring something to my attention you could've do just that: register and click the "PM" button to contact me directly.
Thank you for your understanding.
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marcwolf
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| Posted: 07/14/2004, 6:07 AM |
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To defend YesSoftware
I'm a programmer of many years (I even remeber programming in the time BEFORE Microprocessors - so go figure that)
I also know what it is like to develop a product.
What YesSoftware has done is to make a tool that will help most programmers of net applications.
Consider this - Visual Studio.Net comes on a DVD, or on Several CD's. You do not get much change out of a nearly a gig of HD storage.
With it you can develop applications in about 4 languages.
CCS downloads in 23 Megs, its installs into 33 megs. It supports 6 languages and it does what it does very well.
I have installed it on a P3 450Mhz and 512meg machine - modest for a developer nowdays and programmed with considerable success, also on MySQL too.
CSS has also managed to create a strong userbase who is not afraid to share, and Yes including Peter here is a strong supporter of the users.
This support definately shows a committment to the product and a keen interest in its continuing development.
Now all companies are bound by their available resources, and if Yes decides to devote those resources from one range of products to another then that is their business.
There is CodeCharge Studio Personal if you want a product that only does one language, or the full studio for all.
Just my opinions
Dave
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Raw Code!!!!!!!
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DonB
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| Posted: 07/14/2004, 8:46 AM |
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I first tried CC and it only took a few days to realize CCS was "the
future". Much more ability to customize and extend for all those "special
cases" that come along. The only thing I missed (at least initially) was
the ability to diagram my application flow and have CC "just build it". The
"Diagram" tool in CCS has really not been of any value to me.
CCS is certainly "heavier" than CC, in terms of the IDE. I think CCS has
struck a good balance between features and complexity in the running app.
It blows away other products that I looked at before finding CCS. There is
no server-side support libray needed, no proprietary "engine" containing
mysterious and undocumented features. Further, the people behind CC and CCS
are incredibly responsive to both requests for help and for suggestions
about incorporating new ideas into their products.
I believe the stated position for CC vs CCS has always been that CCS is for
the more sophisticated developer with greater need for customizing and
coding. Two different market segments. As time goes on, the number of
"point and click" developers should diminish and the number of "custom
coder" developers should increase.
Like anything else, if you don't like it you don't have to use it.
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"marcwolf" <marcwolf@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
news:240f530198aff6@news.codecharge.com...
> To defend YesSoftware
>
> I'm a programmer of many years (I even remeber programming in the time
BEFORE
> Microprocessors - so go figure that)
>
> I also know what it is like to develop a product.
>
> What YesSoftware has done is to make a tool that will help most
programmers of
> net applications.
>
> Consider this - Visual Studio.Net comes on a DVD, or on Several CD's. You
do
> not get much change out of a nearly a gig of HD storage.
> With it you can develop applications in about 4 languages.
>
> CCS downloads in 23 Megs, its installs into 33 megs. It supports 6
languages
> and it does what it does very well.
>
> I have installed it on a P3 450Mhz and 512meg machine - modest for a
developer
> nowdays and programmed with considerable success, also on MySQL too.
>
> CSS has also managed to create a strong userbase who is not afraid to
share,
> and Yes including Peter here is a strong supporter of the users.
>
> This support definately shows a committment to the product and a keen
interest
> in its continuing development.
>
> Now all companies are bound by their available resources, and if Yes
decides to
> devote those resources from one range of products to another then that is
their
> business.
>
> There is CodeCharge Studio Personal if you want a product that only does
one
> language, or the full studio for all.
>
>
> Just my opinions
>
> Dave
>
>
> _________________
> ' Coding Coding Coding
> Keep Those Keyboards Coding.
> Raw Code!!!!!!!
> ---------------------------------------
> Sent from YesSoftware forum
> http://forums.codecharge.com/
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Rip
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| Posted: 07/14/2004, 2:18 PM |
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Quote DonB:
CCS is certainly "heavier" than CC, in terms of the IDE. I think CCS has
struck a good balance between features and complexity in the running app.
CCS isn't a balance at all. Its a "Frontpage" to "HTMLKIT or Notepad".
Quote :It blows away other products that I looked at before finding CCS.
CC is by far a better product.
Quote :Further, the people behind CC and CCS
are incredibly responsive to both requests for help and for suggestions
about incorporating new ideas into their products.
funny, I dont see any new plans for CC. Only CCS.
Quote :I believe the stated position for CC vs CCS has always been that CCS is for
the more sophisticated developer with greater need for customizing and
coding. Two different market segments. As time goes on, the number of
"point and click" developers should diminish and the number of "custom
coder" developers should increase.
Doubt it. The number will always be proportionately the same. There are far more "point and clikc" users out there and there will always be more "point and click" users out there.
[quoate]Like anything else, if you don't like it you don't have to use it.
I LIKE CC. I use CC.
I hate cCS, I dont use CCS.
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mirec
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| Posted: 07/15/2004, 2:15 PM |
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>I have a trial of Codecharge studio and when i'm workingit is going slowl. Why ?
Do you have another product which workimng better ? Do you have the product whichis better than CC ?
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RonB
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| Posted: 07/16/2004, 5:59 AM |
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There was a lot of discussion about cc and ccs when the first version of ccs came out. I bought CC with the promise of a free upgrade to CCS and yes delivered. The discussion at the time was about what would happen to CC if CCS realy took of, as it has. I think most people were clear that by logical reasoning it would not be smart for yes to maintain two seperate codebases . They are a buisiness and they have to balance profits and investments in a way that satisfiy the overall goals of any buisiness....making money.
I've seen some of the feature requests for CC and very often they are requests for functionality that is provided for in CCS. It would not be a very smart move for yes to incorporate these features in to CC as that would undermine CCS sales.
I haven't got a clue how difficult it would be for yes to create a light version of CCS, and I do not mean the personal edition because that has in effect almost all features of CCS but a slimmed down version of CCS that gui wise would aproach the CC gui. Maybe that would satisfy some of the current CC users.
As for CCS being bloated i think you are over stating. CCS can hardly be called bloated compared to other products out there ( if you can actually find one that does the same thing). I think CCS is an excelent tool for serious developers and even beginners. The event strucure allows for complex programming mania and still allows basic grid creation without ever writing a single line of code. The learning curve is somewhat steeper but I would not want to go back to CC . It would mean loosing a lot of flexibility that I use every day.
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Delphi
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| Posted: 07/22/2004, 4:10 PM |
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peterr
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| Posted: 07/22/2004, 11:54 PM |
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Delphi,
I've already had additional discussions with Rip via our support system and at http://forums.codecharge.com/posts.php?post_id=44079.
There aren't many, but there are some CodeCharge users that prefer it over CodeCharge Studio, and we have to understand this. Plus I 'feel' the reasons for this as I liked CodeCharge myself.
I plan to delete your message though as it seems too strong and almost abusive for our forums.
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| Posted: 07/23/2004, 5:33 AM |
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I think CCS is best for its price. I am sure there are other better products out there but they cost thousands and you still have to learn the tool to use it no matter what. As for the speed in CCS, I think it is fine the way it is.
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Mibble
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| Posted: 07/23/2004, 3:10 PM |
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has anyone really answered the original reason for this thread?
i am not knocking the software, was never my intent, just trying to figure out why it runs so slow. i have disabled just about everything that i know of.
so back to the basic thread of running slow, giving suggestions, etc, purty please . .
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peterr
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| Posted: 07/23/2004, 3:49 PM |
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Is the HTML editing area the only slow part, or do you experience slowness in other areas too?
Does the slowness occur only on pages with a lot of components/controls, or just about on any page?
Which exact version of CCS do you use?
Generally though I'd recommend contacting our support. If this doesn't affect everyone then we could try to research this issue in more detail with your help.
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Delphi
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| Posted: 07/28/2004, 9:55 PM |
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I agree. My apology. Delete the e-mail.
Good application by the way. Except it is slow in the studio - hence the
reason why I am reading this section of the news groups. i.e. If I delete a
form text box, go to custom code or change HTML - there is an obvious delay
before I get control back. It is about a 10 second delay - and the
accumulated about of pauses is enough to be annoying. Other than that, the
whole concept of RAD development etc encompassed by the application is very
good.
I wont hide behind a pseudo name - so everyone flame away to
wharekura@hotmail.com
"peterr" <peterr@forum.codecharge> wrote in message
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> Delphi,
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> I've already had additional discussions with Rip via our support system
and at
> http://forums.codecharge.com/posts.php?post_id=44079.
> There aren't many, but there are some CodeCharge users that prefer it over
> CodeCharge Studio, and we have to understand this. Plus I 'feel' the
reasons
> for this as I liked CodeCharge myself.
> I plan to delete your message though as it seems too strong and almost
abusive
> for our forums.
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cherbert
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| Posted: 07/29/2004, 4:47 AM |
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I've switched to using the Codecharge Studio plugin for Frontpage. Its much better!!!
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Anton Hinxman
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| Posted: 08/03/2004, 1:22 AM |
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Quote Mibble:
has anyone really answered the original reason for this thread?
i am not knocking the software, was never my intent, just trying to figure out why it runs so slow. i have disabled just about everything that i know of.
so back to the basic thread of running slow, giving suggestions, etc, purty please . .
Check out virtual memory use held against a running CCS process - you may need to quit CCS and restart it again at regular intervals.
If you develop on one box (server and database as well) then this CCS memory leak will make everything go slow until CCS fails to build a project.
Should your style of development be constant cycles and change and re-test then this may be the cause - given the fact that CCS leaks memory during each build and each forms code generation/re-edit.
CCS is a great (even inspired) concept with good clean source generation for your site but the C++ programmer for CCS needs to have a...... deep session of contemplation.
We all seem to live the world of M$ dominance so the skills a CCS developer needs is to avoid all those leaking APIs supplied with the O/S.
If the testing were more brutal and rugged, with CCS 3.0, then I think that CCS will really take off and they will charge prices nearer to other www IDE tools.
Anton
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DonP
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When I first open a project in CCS, it takes some time for project subfolders to open but once they do, it seems fast enough for a program of such complexity.
However, if I leave CCS open for days at a time as I often do when working on a project and do not use it for some hours, it usually takes forever to get any reaction at all when trying to open folders or pages, or even to simply copy and paste code or HTML on a page that is already open. Closing and reopening CCS, or simply waiting for it to respond, seems to clear it up though.
CCS doesn't output "generic" code as Dreamweaver seems to do (and neither does CC), and the code it does output seems to be VERY "heavy" for the purposes using many special functions where the language, such as PHP, has built in ones that could do the same thing, the resulting pages seem to still load quickly even over a dialup.
Over all, it is a very powerful IDE (I won't let Frontpage in the same room as any of my sites) and does its job well, with just about the best support around.
I guess my only major wish (there are LOTS of small ones) would be to be able to generate code and HTML together as CC can do, or at least to have only the code and an HTML template without there needing to be three pages (the code, the events and the template) for every page, and to have the option to generate standard code without the special CCS functions.
Don
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sudheer
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| Posted: 10/07/2004, 7:40 AM |
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I downloaded the evaluation version of CodeChargeStudio 2.3 version, installed it and created a project (with 4 pages) on the first day.
After that I dint get a chance to test it furthur..untill I was left with the trial period of 7 days.
Now when I am opening the codechargestudio and try to create a page using application builder (Grid and Record), I am facing the software working damm slow.
Thinking that its due to some memory problems I restarted my machine and then again started using it.
Still the same problem.
Literally, I couldn't able to pass step2 of 8 in the application builder wizard.
Is it because I haven't purchased the codechargeStudio?
I agree that CCS is a good RAD tool..at the same time speed also matters.
To create one page, if at all we can, is taking atleast 20 minutes. All these 20 minutes I have to wait doing nothing but just to see the monitor .
( This reminds me of the words I heard in my college frommy professors : at the time they were learning computers ie some 40-50 years back, they usually go out and have some coffee within the time a program was compiled by the computer system)
CCS working like this will definitely through people on the edge of frustation..
I hope YES would find some solution for this.
-Sudheer
sudheer.yakkala@gmail.com
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peterr
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| Posted: 10/07/2004, 8:27 AM |
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Sudheer,
Since you wrote that you didn't have such problems in the beginning than looks like you know that the software is not (or doesn't need to be) slow.
If you like a solution from YES or have a technical issue please submit a request to our support site. I admit that I don't know what the problem is in your case, but our support staff will be happy to analyze this issue for you.
Thank you
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