No Name
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| Posted: 03/31/2003, 7:38 PM |
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For the direction which YesSoftware is heading one would need to ask the company founder and CEO, Konrad Musial.
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walid
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| Posted: 04/01/2003, 12:24 AM |
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Case # 983893639
Summary did you look to this ?
Description http://gotocode.com/disc_viewt.asp?mid=19213&
i think you will know know how CC is important for us/
and as a client i think i have a right to know what your plan for CC2.5 and when you will take the first stip ?
Current Status Hold - Proposed Solution
Posted 3/25/2003 6:23:13 AM
Last Update 3/25/2003 6:43:31 AM
Responses
Posted 3/25/2003 6:43:31 AM
User Alex A.
Status Hold - Proposed Solution
Response This is topic currently being discussed inside the company.
I think there may be an anouncement soon.
Regards,
Alex
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LeFrancais
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| Posted: 04/01/2003, 7:30 AM |
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I just upgrade for CCS. I am lost. It's slower and more difficult.
the postive points are the Application Builder, the new css.
But it would be nice to have an upgrade of CC and to be able with the same project to change from CC to CCS or from CCS to CC
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Waylander
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| Posted: 04/01/2003, 2:46 PM |
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Agree I do that CC is still a rocket!
Anyway im paying for CSS now... need to for the visual improvements...... just wish the page builder was as easy to use as CC and DID NOT CRASH! 
Still compared to coding by hand both products kick arse and at the end of the day its all just non sensical conversation, cause its the $$ that count.
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| Posted: 04/02/2003, 2:07 PM |
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what next?????????????????????????????
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Sam
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| Posted: 04/03/2003, 9:43 AM |
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I appreciate everyone's input. We need to have some info from YesSoftware.....
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walid m
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| Posted: 04/04/2003, 8:38 AM |
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i think we have more than 60 re.
and we dont have any RE. from YesSoftware
Y ?????????????????????????????????????????
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No Name
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| Posted: 04/04/2003, 9:16 AM |
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Does that surprise you? There is no "money" in CC.
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no name
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| Posted: 04/04/2003, 4:56 PM |
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cose ther is no care about CC
let YES care and it thay will see the mony
and i think we have 2 years free update
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no name
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| Posted: 04/04/2003, 4:56 PM |
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cose ther is no care about CC
let YES care and it thay will see the mony
and i think we have 2 years free update
we dont see any thing
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Marcus
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| Posted: 04/04/2003, 6:39 PM |
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"no name" imitation
-- Would you please explain in better English? I have a difficult time understanding your point. Also, do not use someone else’s "handle", No Name speaks perfect English, you do not.
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Bil Simser
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| Posted: 04/04/2003, 10:16 PM |
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I asked this question (as it seems nobody else is) and this is the reply I got back from YesSoftware:
"The decision on CodeCharge has not been made yet as we are still finalizing CodeCharge Studio 2.0 and haven't make decisions on what to work on next.
Generally, CodeCharge Studio IS the functional enhancement to CodeCharge. We took CodeCharge technology, rewritten some parts and added new features, thus creating CodeCharge Studio.
The actual idea and need for CodeCharge Studio came from users who felt that CodeCharge is too limited due to its inability to preserve the code and HTML that users modify. Lack of source control also made CodeCharge a good tool for a single user but not a team of developers.
To satisfy the need of CodeCharge users, CodeCharge Studio was created to resolve those issues.
In that sense I don't see much need to keep upgrading a version of product that already has been upgraded. The upgrades would generally mean to re-create CodeCharge Studio once again.
After the release of CodeCharge Studio we've been also watching the sales of CodeCharge to see if there is further interest in this product, but the sales are very small compared to CodeCharge Studio, while most of CodeCharge users also upgraded to CodeCharge Studio.
Thus please assume that if CodeCharge is continued to updated then it will be for strategic reasons (for example integration with NetObjects Fusion) and such updates will be much less frequent than the updates to CodeCharge Studio.
Since most of the users who still purchase CodeCharge upgrade it to CodeCharge Studio within 3-4 months, we leave the decision with the users as to when they feel comfortable upgrading. The maintenance is there if users take the time to learn that CodeCharge Studio does exactly what CodeCharge did, plus more."
Hope that helps some people and perhaps puts this thread to rest.
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name one
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| Posted: 04/22/2003, 4:00 PM |
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NO NEWSSSSSSSSSSS ??????????
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RipCurl
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| Posted: 04/22/2003, 6:09 PM |
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I've had it for 7 and haven't upgraded to Studio, because in my eyes, STUDIO is a piece of shit.
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yodabear
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| Posted: 04/22/2003, 11:43 PM |
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RIPCURL yore a stupido I see you asking dumb questions everywhere you dont need CC/CCS you deserve frontpage - people stop bad mouthing CCS just becuase you are unintelligent.
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RipCurl
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| Posted: 04/23/2003, 1:06 PM |
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"RIPCURL yore a stupido I see you asking dumb questions everywhere you dont need CC/CCS you deserve frontpage - people stop bad mouthing CCS just becuase you are unintelligent."
I'm unintelligent? Why don't you re-read your damn post and see what is unintelligent' about it? Dumb questions? There are never any dumb questions. There are dumb answers but never dumb questions. Frontpage? I wouldn't touch that piece of crap software with a ten foot pole.
Do you even know how to code on your own? Attacking people because they voice a displeasure about a company's stance on their own software is the only way to make companies listen to their customers. By not updating CC, they are forcing us to use inadequate, bloated software. I do not like CCS and will never considering in purchasing it. I like CC for its simplicity and easy to use interface. CCS wants to grandfather everything into it, but I find it to be too much. CC can do projects ten times faster than anything done in CCS.
I for one still used WordPad since I dont need the fancy smancy features of Word.
I use Notepad to edit HTML and XML (do you even know how to do that?).
CC needs to take all that is in CCS and minus out the HTML / Layout editor. That's what makes CCS bloated and crappy.
If you dont like what we have to say, dont bother in posting at all. WE want updates to CC and YeSSoftware must listen to those who do not feel the need to upgrade to software we feel is not needed or too bloated, with too many problems.
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No name
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| Posted: 04/27/2003, 9:30 AM |
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I thnik that we dont have any new from YS.
please what hte last news ?
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RonB
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| Posted: 04/27/2003, 10:06 AM |
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Calling something a piece of shit isn't helping much either. Now CCS might not be as stable as it should be..., it is by no means a shitty piece of software.
If you want to complain, complain about the marvelous way codecharge destroys any html not generated by itself each time you generate a page. Using Dreamweaver an CC is a nightmare. CCS on the other hand doesn't mind where the html comes from. If I edit the html with dreamweaver everything works as it should. I think the html stuf CCS does is nice when you want quick and dirty, I wouldn't dream of using CCS to do all my html layout stuff. I've got dreamweaver mx for that purpose.
The age of the coding purist is long gone, boasting about working with notepad to do your coding is as stupid as saying: I have this excelent printer at home but I still carve all my pages in stone because it is way cool....
The reason software like CCS, visual studio ect is so popular is because you do NOT have to use notepad to handcode every variable. If handcoding is so fantastic...stick with it and stop using cc or ccs. It will save us from having to listen to your opinions wich seem to be lacking in nuance to say the least.
Ron
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No Name
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| Posted: 04/27/2003, 10:31 AM |
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To "no name" and "No name"!
Come up with a different "handle" for this board. Your imitation of me is a BAD one. Mainly because your use of English language is a poor one.
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Now to CC. I also would like to have an improved version of CC. Originally we got v1.0 with the promise of future improvements. We got a promise of 2 years of upgrades -- no upgrades/improvements/fixes were delivered after CC205.
CCS might be good but the incorporated HTML development UI is what kills it. One should concentrate on the CODE GENERATION instead -- that is what we the users are expecting and paying for.
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RipCurl
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| Posted: 04/28/2003, 1:04 PM |
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"Calling something a piece of shit isn't helping much either. Now CCS might not be as stable as it should be..., it is by no means a shitty piece of software. "
It is bloated and uses unnecessary extras that a normal person does not need or want . CC is fine without an HTML editor nad CCS should have not included one in. Trying to add that in, made CCS more harder to use and harder to implement your own coding. Its becoming like any other MS product out there, and where we want efficiency we are getting sub-stanard performance. Leave the HTML part to programs that are DESIGNED for it (ie Dreamweaver, HTML Edit, etc) CC should be ONLY about coding for difficult projects and supply "simple" html for looks that can be used in for formatting. I absolutely cannot stand the HTML editor in CCS.
"If you want to complain, complain about the marvelous way codecharge destroys any html not generated by itself each time you generate a page. Using Dreamweaver an CC is a nightmare."
Dont know what your problem is, but I've created 5 sites using CC and Dreamweaver in combo. I make a "template" of what I want the site to look like in HTML/Dreamweaver/Photoshop. Do my coding in CC, and then modify the pages and make filename_tmpl.html pages for any and all pages generated by CC. That way if I need to make a correction to say "default.html" through CC, I still have the template "default_tmpl.html" to add to once the code is generated.
Then when all is done, just save over the default.html . Takes all of 3 mins to do so.
"CCS on the other hand doesn't mind where the html comes from. If I edit the html with dreamweaver everything works as it should. I think the html stuf CCS does is nice when you want quick and dirty, I wouldn't dream of using CCS to do all my html layout stuff. I've got dreamweaver mx for that purpose."
So why have HTML editor in CCS then? It makes the program bloated IMHO. If people are just going to use another program to make their HTML in, then the need for an HTML editor is pointless in CCS.
"The age of the coding purist is long gone, boasting about working with notepad to do your coding is as stupid as saying: I have this excelent printer at home but I still carve all my pages in stone because it is way cool...."
Point is, when people are looking for coders, they want coders. They could care less on the tools you use. If your code is good, the tool shouldn't matter.
If someone can do 500+ pages all in notepad. Then good for them. If someone needs dreamweaver to do so, then so be it.
I use a good php/text editor to do my coding (or correct some coding) and Dreamweaver to handle my HTML/graphics/wysiwyg side.
Your analogy is a bit off anyway.
"The reason software like CCS, visual studio ect is so popular is because you do NOT have to use notepad to handcode every variable. If handcoding is so fantastic...stick with it and stop using cc or ccs. It will save us from having to listen to your opinions wich seem to be lacking in nuance to say the least."
Did I say I was the expert? I just want YES software to continue to support and update CC becasue there are those that just dont see why CCS is needed. Supply all htat is in CCS but without the Additional "stuff". Like a Lite Version of CCS without all the bells and whistles. Get a better "relational" db builder like CCS. Take out hte HTML editor, and you will satisfy all those CC users that dont want it. The ability to use query from more than than 1 db (like in CCS). A better code viewer is needed as well.
They are catering to the "commercial" buyer instead of the "personal", and that's where they are alienating their customers. There are still the "single" coders out there, not companies that have 2-3 people working on one website.
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Sam lop
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| Posted: 04/30/2003, 6:00 PM |
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This Post is 2 important for CC users please let us know ehat the next step .
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beshoo
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| Posted: 05/24/2003, 8:38 PM |
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for sorry ............
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CodeCharge Studio was released as the upgrade of CodeCharge and most CodeCharge users already upgraded to it. We worked with many CodeCharge users and took their ideas and votes - this is how CCS was created. Now CCS includes many features that CC users requested.
Or in other words - many CC users asked for the ability to modify generated HTML or generated code. Thus if we want to add this functionality into CC, we would create CCS again.
Currently there is no need to upgrade CC because all users who purchased the 2-year upgrade plan for CC already received CCS. We also don't see too many people buying CC.
The only possible plans for CC are to create a CC plugin for NetObjects Fusion. We are no waiting for NetObjects/Website Pros to make the decision if they like to work with us on this.
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NO justice
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glerma
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| Posted: 05/25/2003, 8:29 AM |
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Guys and gals CC is pretty much dead. Give it up.
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Mic
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| Posted: 05/26/2003, 1:44 AM |
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Hi all
I think we need CCS BUT without the IDE
YS. can add that like an option if you wana work with IDE or NOT
in same CCS then no need to ubdate CC cos our problem will solve
and how like IDE he can work with it....
YS. i am ready to pay 50$ for that
[Add non IDE option]
like CC interface :)
i dont need to edit the HTML code in the CCS i like the old way.
it is fast and no mouse drag error.
and if all of us pay 50$ for CCS i think it will be GOOD deal for you.
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